thinking for a d-series setup
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thinking for a d-series setup
Well,i used to be an all-motor guy,but the past few days i just can't stop thinking about a d turbo.heres what i've been thinking:
1991 crx si (still trying to get owner to sell it to me)
A6 Block:
stroked with d17 crank
Eagle Rods(if eagle makes them for d17)
Suzuki Vitara pistons
.20 over bore/hone job
posted block
new water/oil pump
Z6 head (already have)
P&P
ZEX stage one cam(heard its better to use stage 1 on turbo motors,is this true?)
ZEX springs and retainers
Turbo setup:
BMC Mani
14b @12psi-rebuild(is this reliable?)
Johnny racecar FMIC
Stealthmode oil lines
Still undecided on a fuel management is appropriate for my setup.
What do you think of it so far?
1991 crx si (still trying to get owner to sell it to me)
A6 Block:
stroked with d17 crank
Eagle Rods(if eagle makes them for d17)
Suzuki Vitara pistons
.20 over bore/hone job
posted block
new water/oil pump
Z6 head (already have)
P&P
ZEX stage one cam(heard its better to use stage 1 on turbo motors,is this true?)
ZEX springs and retainers
Turbo setup:
BMC Mani
14b @12psi-rebuild(is this reliable?)
Johnny racecar FMIC
Stealthmode oil lines
Still undecided on a fuel management is appropriate for my setup.
What do you think of it so far?
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dabig1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no one has an opinion on this setup?
what psi are dsm turboes maxed out at?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on how hard your pushing them. It could prolly do 40psi just not flow much air at that level.
With most hondas the 14b is good to around 200-250whp. So anywhere from 12-15psi is all shes gonna beable to give ya.
liam
what psi are dsm turboes maxed out at?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on how hard your pushing them. It could prolly do 40psi just not flow much air at that level.
With most hondas the 14b is good to around 200-250whp. So anywhere from 12-15psi is all shes gonna beable to give ya.
liam
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (liam821)
That sounds like a good setup but I would go with a bigger turbo like a 60 trim T3. They go for about the same as a 14b but the power curve and power potential are both more pleasing IMO. You won't even need the rods and pistons with the 14B.
I woulden't recomend overboring the block either. Stock bore is going to be the best for some power and reliability. I'm not well versed in the vitara setup, but i think they only come in one bore anyway. maybe it's 20 over, just thought I'de comment on the sleeve strength issue.
I would skip the head work too. You can make ****-tons of power with a 100% stock head. Spend more on good managment and turbo parts and you can have a really powerful D series, rather than one that looks good on paper. don't forget a Honda head gasket and ARP or AEBS head studs.
A long mod list only shows how much you spent usually.
Modified by Bailhatch at 7:06 PM 9/30/2004
I woulden't recomend overboring the block either. Stock bore is going to be the best for some power and reliability. I'm not well versed in the vitara setup, but i think they only come in one bore anyway. maybe it's 20 over, just thought I'de comment on the sleeve strength issue.
I would skip the head work too. You can make ****-tons of power with a 100% stock head. Spend more on good managment and turbo parts and you can have a really powerful D series, rather than one that looks good on paper. don't forget a Honda head gasket and ARP or AEBS head studs.
A long mod list only shows how much you spent usually.
Modified by Bailhatch at 7:06 PM 9/30/2004
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (Bailhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I woulden't recomend overboring the block either. Stock bore is going to be the best for some power and reliability. I'm not well versed in the vitara setup, but i think they only come in one bore anyway. maybe it's 20 over, just thought I'de comment on the sleeve strength issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Overboring won't have that big of an effect on the stock sleeves. I overbored .020 on my stock sleeves and still plan on making between 300-400whp.
Overboring won't have that big of an effect on the stock sleeves. I overbored .020 on my stock sleeves and still plan on making between 300-400whp.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (RyanCivic2000)
there is so little steel in the stock sleeve I only bored mine out enough to accommodate the expansion of my pistons. Overboring has a pretty big affect when you look at how little you are starting with. How thick is the steel part? 1/4"?
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (RyanCivic2000)
the zex stage 2 59300 is supposed to be the bomb for turbo. also, the t3 60 trim is perfectly suited for the d16. i had one and loved it. if you are planning on running 15+ psi, maybe look at a small t3/t4. you could also get away with retaining stock bore and maybe not even stroking it, as longer stroke reduces the reliable rev limit. ive seen someone with a a6/z6 setup close to what you plan on doing making 206 whp on 6 psi. thats damn good imo.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (Bailhatch)
i just wanted to say thanx on or your comments.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Depends on how hard your pushing them. It could prolly do 40psi just not flow much air at that level.
With most hondas the 14b is good to around 200-250whp. So anywhere from 12-15psi is all shes gonna beable to give ya.
liam</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanx,250hp is what i'm shooting for.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That sounds like a good setup but I would go with a bigger turbo like a 60 trim T3. They go for about the same as a 14b but the power curve and power potential are both more pleasing IMO. You won't even need the rods and pistons with the 14B.
I woulden't recomend overboring the block either. Stock bore is going to be the best for some power and reliability. I'm not well versed in the vitara setup, but i think they only come in one bore anyway. maybe it's 20 over, just thought I'de comment on the sleeve strength issue.
I would skip the head work too. You can make ****-tons of power with a 100% stock head. Spend more on good managment and turbo parts and you can have a really powerful D series, rather than one that looks good on paper. don't forget a Honda head gasket and ARP or AEBS head studs.
A long mod list only shows how much you spent usually.
Modified by Bailhatch at 7:06 PM 9/30/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
i will research on that.as for the stock sleeves,i've heard really good things about the d-series sleeves.plus,they are gonna be posted.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the zex stage 2 59300 is supposed to be the bomb for turbo. also, the t3 60 trim is perfectly suited for the d16. i had one and loved it. if you are planning on running 15+ psi, maybe look at a small t3/t4. you could also get away with retaining stock bore and maybe not even stroking it, as longer stroke reduces the reliable rev limit. ive seen someone with a a6/z6 setup close to what you plan on doing making 206 whp on 6 psi. thats damn good imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so the 59300 is good for turbo?thats cool.as for the stroker,i think it would be really cool,i mean even if you have turbo lag you can atleast have some extra low-end torque.
thanks again.
Depends on how hard your pushing them. It could prolly do 40psi just not flow much air at that level.
With most hondas the 14b is good to around 200-250whp. So anywhere from 12-15psi is all shes gonna beable to give ya.
liam</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanx,250hp is what i'm shooting for.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That sounds like a good setup but I would go with a bigger turbo like a 60 trim T3. They go for about the same as a 14b but the power curve and power potential are both more pleasing IMO. You won't even need the rods and pistons with the 14B.
I woulden't recomend overboring the block either. Stock bore is going to be the best for some power and reliability. I'm not well versed in the vitara setup, but i think they only come in one bore anyway. maybe it's 20 over, just thought I'de comment on the sleeve strength issue.
I would skip the head work too. You can make ****-tons of power with a 100% stock head. Spend more on good managment and turbo parts and you can have a really powerful D series, rather than one that looks good on paper. don't forget a Honda head gasket and ARP or AEBS head studs.
A long mod list only shows how much you spent usually.
Modified by Bailhatch at 7:06 PM 9/30/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
i will research on that.as for the stock sleeves,i've heard really good things about the d-series sleeves.plus,they are gonna be posted.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the zex stage 2 59300 is supposed to be the bomb for turbo. also, the t3 60 trim is perfectly suited for the d16. i had one and loved it. if you are planning on running 15+ psi, maybe look at a small t3/t4. you could also get away with retaining stock bore and maybe not even stroking it, as longer stroke reduces the reliable rev limit. ive seen someone with a a6/z6 setup close to what you plan on doing making 206 whp on 6 psi. thats damn good imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so the 59300 is good for turbo?thats cool.as for the stroker,i think it would be really cool,i mean even if you have turbo lag you can atleast have some extra low-end torque.
thanks again.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
i'm also thinking about skiping the p&p part,but the cams + springs are definitly not going off my list.
also,do you guys recomend any other good manifolds for about the same price as the bmc?the bmc is 200 right?
also,do you guys recomend any other good manifolds for about the same price as the bmc?the bmc is 200 right?
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
The Vitara pistons are standard bore, 75mm. Depending on if they expand more than a stock D series piston it looks like you would have to find a block with pretty much perfect cyl walls. So luckily for you, dispite the advice of others on here, you will be forced to have a stronger block. what a shame.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (Bailhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Vitara pistons are standard bore, 75mm. Depending on if they expand more than a stock D series piston it looks like you would have to find a block with pretty much perfect cyl walls. So luckily for you, dispite the advice of others on here, you will be forced to have a stronger block. what a shame. </TD></TR></TABLE>
they come up .40 over bore.
they come up .40 over bore.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dabig1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
they come up .40 over bore.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"2. They are 75mm(standard) and you use Civic rings for 75 mm pistons"
that quote is from the guy that sells them on here. I guess you can get bigger. sorry for the missinformation, I guess I did my research too fast.
Either way you definatly don't want 40 over without sleeves. so standard bore becomes the only practical option.
they come up .40 over bore.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"2. They are 75mm(standard) and you use Civic rings for 75 mm pistons"
that quote is from the guy that sells them on here. I guess you can get bigger. sorry for the missinformation, I guess I did my research too fast.
Either way you definatly don't want 40 over without sleeves. so standard bore becomes the only practical option.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (Bailhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"2. They are 75mm(standard) and you use Civic rings for 75 mm pistons"
that quote is from the guy that sells them on here. I guess you can get bigger. sorry for the missinformation, I guess I did my research too fast.
Either way you definatly don't want 40 over without sleeves. so standard bore becomes the only practical option.
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thats cool dude,from what i remember from reading fjt's thread about 6 mos. ago,they are suppose to come to .20 to.they are just not available this time.****,if it aint then a hone job would do
"2. They are 75mm(standard) and you use Civic rings for 75 mm pistons"
that quote is from the guy that sells them on here. I guess you can get bigger. sorry for the missinformation, I guess I did my research too fast.
Either way you definatly don't want 40 over without sleeves. so standard bore becomes the only practical option.
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thats cool dude,from what i remember from reading fjt's thread about 6 mos. ago,they are suppose to come to .20 to.they are just not available this time.****,if it aint then a hone job would do
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
I was gonna run my SRPs 20 over but once I realized how easy it is to find a z6 or a6 block that is in good shape, and talking to my machinest it was an easy decision. std bore minus the SRP cyl to wall clearance works out perfect.
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (dabig1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dabig1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
also,do you guys recomend any other good manifolds for about the same price as the bmc?the bmc is 200 right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
check out shitbird on HMT and rank1racing.com
he has a short tubular manifold that is gorgeous... $285 but I wished I had seen his before I got mine.
also for fuel management... uberdata list of tuners and get some RC440's or DSM 450cc's http://www.ecimulti.org/uberda...=1281
also,do you guys recomend any other good manifolds for about the same price as the bmc?the bmc is 200 right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
check out shitbird on HMT and rank1racing.com
he has a short tubular manifold that is gorgeous... $285 but I wished I had seen his before I got mine.
also for fuel management... uberdata list of tuners and get some RC440's or DSM 450cc's http://www.ecimulti.org/uberda...=1281
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Re: thinking for a d-series setup (blackcivic44)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackcivic44 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
check out shitbird on HMT and rank1racing.com
he has a short tubular manifold that is gorgeous... $285 but I wished I had seen his before I got mine.
also for fuel management... uberdata list of tuners and get some RC440's or DSM 450cc's http://www.ecimulti.org/uberda...=1281</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanx for the link
check out shitbird on HMT and rank1racing.com
he has a short tubular manifold that is gorgeous... $285 but I wished I had seen his before I got mine.
also for fuel management... uberdata list of tuners and get some RC440's or DSM 450cc's http://www.ecimulti.org/uberda...=1281</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanx for the link
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