great discussion guys, been awhile since i seen something this good on ht

 

The ang accel is proportional to torque at that moment when the torque is produced. So, you can't apply this formula and expect to get the full picture. That's taking it out of it's context.

To say car A has more torque than car B, therefore it will accelerate to faster than car B during a race is inaccurate.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by remmargorp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The ang accel is proportional to torque at that moment when the torque is produced. So, you can't apply this formula and expect to get the full picture. That's taking it out of it's context.

To say car A has more torque than car B, therefore it will accelerate to faster than car B during a race is inaccurate.

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throw gearing into the mix

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

throw gearing into the mix </TD></TR></TABLE>gearing is the same!!!

 

I propose we ban everyone in this thread who hasn't posted an angry response.

 

hey whoa now... he said theoretical question (am I the only one who sees that), obviously we knows it is not a realistic question but thats why it is a question based on pure conjecture, a theory (even if not a cohnerent one).

the·o·ret·i·cal / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-uh-ret-i-kuhl]
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or consisting in theory; not practical (distinguished from applied).
2. existing only in theory; hypothetical.
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in theory (speculation and conjecture), if everything else was the same down to the smallest detail but the torque (which is obviously not possible and narrow minded)... the car with more torque would win.

he is speaking in hypotheticals... do we really need to break out the physics books on this one. I guess I just did not put much thought into this thread when I saw it originally, I just figured this was a pointed question that was to spark a debate on why most honda/ acura people choose larger turbos.

whatever do I care... I will bow out now, I answered the question he asked and payed attention to the part about it being a theoretical question. He knows it is not based in reality, hence why he titled the thread the way he did. He knows what your telling him but he is playing devils advocate to get at the point of turbo sizing and torque vs. hp gains relative to that size IMO.

I will go back to my hole now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Whiteintegra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Theoretical question; if you have 2 turbo Integras, same driver, same weight, same tuning, same WHP....EVERYTHING is the same, except one has a t3/t4 57 trim 60/63 with 40 less tq units and the other has a t3/t4 57 trim 60/48 with 40 more Tq units relative to the other car's Tq. Ok, with this senerio everything being equal and cars get traction. If they raced from 0-150 which car will get to 150 first. The car with more HP, or the car with more tq? Ex.280whp 200tq -Vs- 280whp 240tq</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, first, I guess you realize this now, but you contradicted yourself in your first post.
"Theoretical question; if you have 2 turbo Integras, same driver, same weight, same tuning, same WHP"..vs.. "The car with more HP, or the car with more tq?"

Your answer is right there at the beginning of the second sentence. The car with more hp. Average hp.

Further attempt at clarification.. I know people got into this earlier in this thread, but your instantaneous rate of acceleration for a given gear is directly proportional to the torque the engine is making at that instant. So, yes, the rate of acceleration for a given gear actually decreases as the motor's torque falls off. The reason why people shift when they do is they are trying to achieve the highest average output..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I propose we ban everyone in this thread who hasn't posted an angry response. </TD></TR></TABLE>

huh what you talking bout

 

I wish you guys would have backed me up a few days ago when I had to explain how a B series is superior to a D series, regardless of the fact that a D can sometimes make alot more torque.

RPM
Gearing
Traction...

Will play a very large role in any acceleration race.