DeadVet

Im having a turbo kit built right now, i have a built block ready to install, the turbo im going to use to start out with is a t3 50trim with a .48ar. What is this turbo capable of making for hp? I would like to see about 250whp. Think its possible? Will the turbo make power to redline? By the way my engine is a d16a6 block with a z6 head.


Modified by 92GuttedHatch at 10:53 AM 10/24/2004

UberTeg

stock head LS, .48/.60 T3 @ 12 lbs

blackeg

uberteg, is that your dyno graph?

92guttedhatch, i think its a matter of psi for you. depending on the compression of the z6/a6 combo you are running, youll probably need around 15-18 psi to get to/past 300whp. this is gettin close to the max for the turbo. you might want to look into a cam, which will let you run a few less psi(keeping the turbo as efficient as possible) while still having your hp goals.

edit- 250 whp is totally possible. the turbo will hold to redline(7200) and you shouldnt have any spool time issues

DeadVet

My compression is 9.1:1 and thanks for the replies. The guy who is tuning it really knows his stuff so i think ill be happy for sure.

Mag00n

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Posting a dyno graph doesnt mean **** when all you post is the turbo and motor. How about some setup specific specs?

UberTeg

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Posting a dyno graph doesnt mean **** when all you post is the turbo and motor. How about some setup specific specs? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The turbo and motor is what makes most of the power. I had 550cc injectors, uberdata, 3" exhuast, and my **** was tilted 30 degrees to the right. Need anymore details?

evosol

wow... **** positioned 30 degrees to the right and no leaning out??
my set up usually pulls hardest when i'm 90 degrees straight up.

reaction360

my b16a, je pistons, eagle rods 9:1, stock head on a T3 60/63 made 360whp on 12psi. was running 440cc's and UBERDATA

HondaCivicSiR1

im going to put a garrett t3 on my ls-vtec im putting all new bearings in and use a stock rods and pistions with a b16a1 head how much boost can i run and much hp do you think it will make

Mag00n

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The turbo and motor is what makes most of the power. I had 550cc injectors, uberdata, 3" exhuast, and my **** was tilted 30 degrees to the right. Need anymore details?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know because a quality tune,fuel and engine management, injector size, and manifold have NOTHING to do with power output right ******* tool. Those are some ******* **** poor numbers for a ls on 12lbs

efgarage

actually those numbers look pretty good for a stock ls,and that small turbo.

Joseph Davis

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*yawn*

Frankly, none of that **** has much to do with the airflow that the compressor is rated for, which combined with a good ignition map, is where your power comes from. Everything else you mention is for longevity.

Since boost is an expression of restriction, I'd say that power is pretty ******* good "for 12 psi" with a tiny turd .48 AR turbine housing and gimp OEM "stage 1" turbine wheel. Not that the psi you achieve whatever power level at has an absolute thing to do with anything except for your HT-induced delusion that hp per psi is what forced induction is about. FI is about brute force induction of air mass, mass not being expressed in terms of "psi." You can dick about with reducing pumping losses and trying to promote a better burn, but for 99% of web lusers you will find that hitting X whp and tuning the car to deal with it is much more rewarding than building a car for "15 psi" or "because I'm gay."

So, yeah, where'd that Hype-AAARRRRRR guy who hit 330 whp off an OEM .60/.63 T3 at 17 psi get off to? He's a perfect example of what I'm talking about... all the internet shills will tell you that 330 whp is poor power output for a B18C5 "at 17 psi", but for the life of me I can't figure why you'd want to compare IM pressure to atmospheric... to EM pressure, maybe, but I guess that makes too much plain old common sense for an internet shill to understand.

TurboJesse

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I know because a quality tune,fuel and engine management, injector size, and manifold have NOTHING to do with power output right ******* tool. Those are some ******* **** poor numbers for a ls on 12lbs </TD></TR></TABLE>

I heard it was because he couldn't find someone to tune his uberdata....
I think those numbers are acutally quite impressive for the seutp.

mos

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Heh.

A stock LS makes what, 115 to the wheels... soooo 255 is **** poor now?

Boltz

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I know because a quality tune,fuel and engine management, injector size, and manifold have NOTHING to do with power output right ******* tool. Those are some ******* **** poor numbers for a ls on 12lbs </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually those numbers are pretty good for a stock LS with a small t3 .48 exhaust wheel. Settle down and quit being an internet ****

UberTeg

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I know because a quality tune,fuel and engine management, injector size, and manifold have NOTHING to do with power output right ******* tool. Those are some ******* **** poor numbers for a ls on 12lbs </TD></TR></TABLE>

The fullrace manifold test showd their wasnt a huge difference in power between manifolds. You can see my a/f curve so my injector size is irrelevant as long as its gettting fuel. I guess i'll give you the tune thing.. barely

Mag00n

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Not that the psi you achieve whatever power level at has an absolute thing to do with anything except for your HT-induced delusion that hp per psi is what forced induction is about. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Umm..who do you think your talking to? Im not a moron. Im well aware that "12psi", "8psi" etc doesnt mean anything. I.E. 6psi on his little girl turbo is nothing compared to 6psi on an sc61. I was using 12psi for simplistic reasons since thats what he said hes running and I knew what turbo hes running. And I stand by my statement that I am not especially impressed by those numbers. Especially with the potential of the LS. Is that ok with you J.Davis?

blackeg

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I heard it was because he couldn't find someone to tune his uberdata....
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haha

UberTeg

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Umm..who do you think your talking to? Im not a moron. Im well aware that "12psi", "8psi" etc doesnt mean anything. I.E. 6psi on his little girl turbo is nothing compared to 6psi on an sc61. I was using 12psi for simplistic reasons since thats what he said hes running and I knew what turbo hes running. And I stand by my statement that I am not especially impressed by those numbers. Especially with the potential of the LS. Is that ok with you J.Davis?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why dont you just post the #'s you made with y our similar turbo @ 10lbs on your b16 then?

Nobody Special

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The turbo and motor is what makes most of the power. I had 550cc injectors, uberdata, 3" exhuast, and my **** was tilted 30 degrees to the right. Need anymore details?</TD></TR></TABLE>

own3d

Joseph Davis

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Judging by your poor punctuation and grammar, I figured you didn't mean to put that "not" in there... there we go, all fixed up now!


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Entirely correct, but completely the opposite of what you are thinking.

For this scenario - or your B16's scenario - the 6 psi off the little girl turbo is FAR superior to the 6 psi on that laggy-*** peaky no power to speak of under the curve SC61.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mag00n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And I stand by my statement that I am not especially impressed by those numbers. Especially with the potential of the LS. Is that ok with you J.Davis?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it is not - show me better. Consistently better. I see a lot worse "at 12 psi" from the T3/04E crowd.

I have a friend laid down 300 whp at 12 psi on his "stock unported LS head" on a notoriously low reading Muffstank dyno... but his setup is marginally an "LS" these days, aside from the stock head.

So, yeah... you're a g00n alright.

tubegown

Id just like to note, LOOK AT THE POWERBAND!!!

He made over 200wtq from 4200 to 6400. The only thing hurting him was his stupid .48 a/r housing on the turbine side. Otherwise the whp would have flat lined(i know because thats almost exactly my dyno sheet except i did it at 10psi and i made less whp but the same amount of torque basically)

So inconclusion, a T3 is capable of making 300whp. Just needs to be a 60 trim. A 50 trim i cant imagine making more than 275.

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