For those of you who has been trying other standalone units out there and have a better knowledge of them I need your help/advise, which one of the list below would you prefer for a daily driven turbo car? Im in the need for a standalone unit that would be good for my daily driven turbo car w/out having to tune the car everytime I add a new part. I need one that would pretty much basically tune itself or adjust to the engines performance when like for example a set of skunk2 cams are added w/out having to take a trip to the dyno shop. Which one of these standalone would you guys recommend? Iis there any kind of units out there that has that feature? Help!!!!!!

-Greddy E-manage
-Hondata
-AEM EMS
-Speedpro
-Haltec
-Fast
-Motec
-DFI
There might be more out there but these are the common ones everyone uses.


Modified by slixxracing at 2:34 PM 11/10/2003

 

AEM EMS

 

i don't think you can put the hondata in the section standalone, since I think a standalone is somekind of an ECU you can control, and the hondata is just a unit that allow you to send false infos to stock or obd1/0 ecu from other cars and get the map cells from this ecu. correct me if I'm wrong

and btw aem ems

 

Hondata. I will be pushing 465+whp and having VaporTrail tune it.

 

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your wrong.
http://www.hondata.com
it is a standalone.

NOW, what is not a standalone is the greddy e-manage. that manipulates the stock rom values.

Rob

 

Accel DFI
Autronic

 

You want a system that can tune itself? /me laughs

Well then go shoot for the speedpro unit with the wideband o2, have your tuner setup the target afr table as well and you should be in business. The speed pro unit used to come with the NTK wideband sensor but I don't know about now because I haven't used one in a long time. It's a great sensor, way better than the Bosch one.

However this doesn't work out too well sometimes. It all depends on the part that you are adding in. If you are adding a part that will increase the flow of air then I strongly suggest you go get it retuned. I'm sure most tuners won't charge much to get it retuned because it's just a "touch up" tune, well atleast I don't.


Best standalone for a street honda? The obvious answer is hondata!! (plugs into stock harness)

Aem is a good system, only if it's used right. (plugs into stock harness)

Haltec has been proven to propel many down the 1320. (will require you to rewire car)

DFI has been used for years by many. (will require you to rewire car)


Autronic - Never used it yet. Looking forward to get my hands on a unit. (Not sure, but I assume you will have rewire)

Offcourse, one of the best systems out there is the Motec system. but for the street it might be a over kill. (will require you to rewire car)

 

Accel DFI Gen 7.
You can pretty much go with any stand alone, but your tuner will tell you how far he can take you! So go with what your tuner know's best.

 

I really wish I could afford a Motec unit...that would be awesome but like most of us money is an issue. So i'm gonna maybe just stick to these 3. The AEM, haltech, or the speedpro. How much do shops usually charge for installation wiring for haltech and speedpro? Anyone knows of a reputable shop or knows how to do the wiring and charge a decent price that lives in S. Cali.

 

are you sure that you NEED a setup like that? whats your motor/turbo setup?
whp goals?

Rob

 

Fully built b18c turbo w/ 450cc injectors for now but planning on upgrading to something above 7-1000 cc. Trying to achieve around 500+ whp. Is it possible? on a 60-1/T3 w/ an exhaust a/r of .63, compressor a/r of 70 and stage 5 exhaust wheel?

 

personally i think hondata would be a good management for your setup. the 60-1 is capable but its yesterdays technology. the sc61 is definatly the key to that WHP.

Rob

 

So you prefer the Hondata for my set up? For the price of a stage 4b hondata it will run me close to 1g, wouldnt it be better to just get an AEM? Why do you say the hondata is good for my set up? Also what is the difference between the sc61 turbo and the 60-1/T3 turbo? Arent they almost identical?


Modified by slixxracing at 9:46 AM 11/8/2003

 

They say the SC61 make power through out the rpm range where the 60-1 tends to lag out at high rpm's.

 

why do you need the 4b? You can get a stage 2 or s100. Do you plan to tune the car yourself? If not then just get stage 2 or s100 because your hondata dealer will do everytying else.

 

I understand that I dont need a 4b, but the price that I could get a 2b for I can get a stage 4b. If buying from local shop or from hondata they are asking around 5-7 bills on a stage 2b. Quote me if im wrong, but I can get a whole 4b for about 5-6 also. Thats why I rather get that than the stage2.

 

What does your local tuner use? No point buying an AEM if the only tuners for 500 miles do hondata or speed pro, or vice versa.

 

Man, I was just thinking about this today.. The idea tuning system is the TurboXS Utec, however it's only for WRX's. It's a plug n play and it will have the addition of a wideband o2 soon to comendate for temperature changes.. To be honest there's not much of an option for Honda's. The performance market has lost it's drive for the average street tuners. You can go with the Hondata and pray you find an honest tuner that want fluctuate the price, and then if your looking for support later on your best bet is honda-tech because Hondata does not answer post on there own forums. I say go to pgmfi.org forums and read up on tuning and then make a decision. Also check out all of your options support process, which one will be there for you when you need them. Good Luck and keep us posted on the one you choose.

 

Well I dont know whether or not my tunner can tune AEM, but im sure living in S. Cali someone's gotta know how to tune the AEM. Hondata tunner's are everywhere so I dont have to worry about getting the hondata tunned if I did decide to get the hondata.

 

SDS
http://www.sdsefi.com
very easy to use and it comes with the programmer....no need for a laptop like those other standalone ecus

 

AEM w/ wideband has an autotune feature. but no engine management system will be a "set it and forget it" type of thing. if you are going to tune yourself, i'd get the EMS, if you gonna have someone else tune it, go with a s200b.

 

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