Stand Alone Engine Management
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (hondaswaper)
the Autronic nor the AEM EMS have been proven in HONDA DRAG RACING........
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (earl)
yea, the autronic is awesome. i got it running in one day on a car that has a built engine and itbs. the software is user friendly, a lot like the Speed Pro's. leaps and bounds more user friendly than the motec, which i've also tried.
the map sensor is perfect for boost as it can read all the way up to 44 psi. the x and y axis on the ignition and fuel table is totally user definable meaning it doesnt have to be scaled in equal proportions. if you need more resolution for a certain area all you gotta do is scale it for finer load points.
off the top of my head i think the tables are 16 x 32. also individual cylinder fuel trim is also standard. want to run 8 injectors and have the other four come on at high boost? it can do that too.
but one minor caveat, if you're doing this entirely on your own and never done engine management before or you're not totally comfortable with electrical work, pay some who's familiar with it to set it up for you.
the map sensor is perfect for boost as it can read all the way up to 44 psi. the x and y axis on the ignition and fuel table is totally user definable meaning it doesnt have to be scaled in equal proportions. if you need more resolution for a certain area all you gotta do is scale it for finer load points.
off the top of my head i think the tables are 16 x 32. also individual cylinder fuel trim is also standard. want to run 8 injectors and have the other four come on at high boost? it can do that too.
but one minor caveat, if you're doing this entirely on your own and never done engine management before or you're not totally comfortable with electrical work, pay some who's familiar with it to set it up for you.
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (SEFI8LOxCivic)
yea, the autronic is awesome. i got it running in one day on a car that has a built engine and itbs. the software is user friendly, a lot like the Speed Pro's. leaps and bounds more user friendly than the motec, which i've also tried.
the map sensor is perfect for boost as it can read all the way up to 44 psi. the x and y axis on the ignition and fuel table is totally user definable meaning it doesnt have to be scaled in equal proportions. if you need more resolution for a certain area all you gotta do is scale it for finer load points.
off the top of my head i think the tables are 16 x 32. also individual cylinder fuel trim is also standard. want to run 8 injectors and have the other four come on at high boost? it can do that too.
but one minor caveat, if you're doing this entirely on your own and never done engine management before or you're not totally comfortable with electrical work, pay some who's familiar with it to set it up for you.
the map sensor is perfect for boost as it can read all the way up to 44 psi. the x and y axis on the ignition and fuel table is totally user definable meaning it doesnt have to be scaled in equal proportions. if you need more resolution for a certain area all you gotta do is scale it for finer load points.
off the top of my head i think the tables are 16 x 32. also individual cylinder fuel trim is also standard. want to run 8 injectors and have the other four come on at high boost? it can do that too.
but one minor caveat, if you're doing this entirely on your own and never done engine management before or you're not totally comfortable with electrical work, pay some who's familiar with it to set it up for you.
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (tony1)
It absolutely blows away the Motec.
C'mon now, i don't think i'd go that far.....
C'mon now, i don't think i'd go that far.....
Who needs fuel mgt anyways?
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (ninesecrx)
i've got a 6th accel dfi for sale for 300.00. anyone interested?
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (Rev_Speed_ Performance)
ITR206.. puff puff give fool! Puff puff give! Don't be hoggin' all the good smoke!
Piggyback = an add-on computer that manipulates the signal of another ECU since does not have the ability to adjust the base maps. With Hondata base maps can be massaged, created, re-created, deleted and whatever you want to do to them. On-the-fly changes are made by using the emulator.
Greddy E-manage, HKS F-CON PFC (NON F-CON V), and any fuel manipulator like SFC/AFC/VPC is a piggyback.
Piggyback = an add-on computer that manipulates the signal of another ECU since does not have the ability to adjust the base maps. With Hondata base maps can be massaged, created, re-created, deleted and whatever you want to do to them. On-the-fly changes are made by using the emulator.
Greddy E-manage, HKS F-CON PFC (NON F-CON V), and any fuel manipulator like SFC/AFC/VPC is a piggyback.
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (Dee)
but... but... "hondata is not standing alone, its got legs like a chair."
haha. i remember the first time i heard that stupid response on club si.
Dee, for knowing what you're talking about. where were you when I was argueing the same thing with the morons in the club si all motor forum? They seem to think Hondata is not a "real" stand alone.
haha. i remember the first time i heard that stupid response on club si.
Dee, for knowing what you're talking about. where were you when I was argueing the same thing with the morons in the club si all motor forum? They seem to think Hondata is not a "real" stand alone.
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (Dee)
I think Mark said it best about hondata. It is in fact a stand alone.
"Standalone Engine Managment": A microprocessor or discrete component based control unit that recieves all of its inputs directly from an engines sensors, calculates the necessary output requirements (on its own), and sends all of its outputs directly to the engines drivers (injectors, ignition module, VTEC, IAB, etc...). Standalone systems do NOT require any external components to recieve or send input or output signals, unless there are saleable options that can be added.
"Piggyback Engine Managment": A microprocessor or discrete component based control unit that modifys input signals to (or output signals from) a standalone engine managment system. In either case, a piggyback unit will not cause an engine to run on its own.
Now, I read the term "Hybrid" here in refrence to the Hondata system. That's fine for now. Just bear in mind that the Hondata box is not in the input/output stream and does not interpret or change the input or output signals. It does, however, provide the user ability to change parameters that directly affect the microprocessor calculations (IE fuel and ignition maps, among others). This leaves the ECU to run as a standalone unit.
The Hondata external box is connected to Denshikigens factory engineered IO port that originally allowed the Honda engineers to communicate with the *standalone* processor during program execution (for tuning purposes). Hondata played mix and match with the internal data map and uses this port only to protect the Hondata from being hacked. Call it standalone or call it hybrid.. I don't care. But call it inferior to any other standalone system for VTEC systems and you are a Fuc*ing RETARD.... PERIOD.
Go ahead (anyone) and name one other standalone system that allows you to map every ignition and fuel point for BOTH cam profiles at *every* RPM. You can't get that with the PMS, it isn't provided with the Haltech, and even most Motec don't deliver that kind of multicam support (at 5 times the price).
There is only one company (Honda) that has ever supplied the market with a proper engine managment for VTEC engines. Since then, only two companies (Hondata and Zdyne) have provided the market with a fully programmable version of that proper system.
"Piggyback Engine Managment": A microprocessor or discrete component based control unit that modifys input signals to (or output signals from) a standalone engine managment system. In either case, a piggyback unit will not cause an engine to run on its own.
Now, I read the term "Hybrid" here in refrence to the Hondata system. That's fine for now. Just bear in mind that the Hondata box is not in the input/output stream and does not interpret or change the input or output signals. It does, however, provide the user ability to change parameters that directly affect the microprocessor calculations (IE fuel and ignition maps, among others). This leaves the ECU to run as a standalone unit.
The Hondata external box is connected to Denshikigens factory engineered IO port that originally allowed the Honda engineers to communicate with the *standalone* processor during program execution (for tuning purposes). Hondata played mix and match with the internal data map and uses this port only to protect the Hondata from being hacked. Call it standalone or call it hybrid.. I don't care. But call it inferior to any other standalone system for VTEC systems and you are a Fuc*ing RETARD.... PERIOD.
Go ahead (anyone) and name one other standalone system that allows you to map every ignition and fuel point for BOTH cam profiles at *every* RPM. You can't get that with the PMS, it isn't provided with the Haltech, and even most Motec don't deliver that kind of multicam support (at 5 times the price).
There is only one company (Honda) that has ever supplied the market with a proper engine managment for VTEC engines. Since then, only two companies (Hondata and Zdyne) have provided the market with a fully programmable version of that proper system.
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management
Another good point to add to this discussion is about visual smog tests.
The new Hondata S100 fits entirely INSIDE the ECU. There is no way to tell the ECU is not stock from the outside, yet you have full rom tuning ability.
And its only what? $245? A great value.
I offer a guarantee to people on the fence between systems. If somebody has an AEM, or DFI or SpeedPRO DOS based, I offer a chance to make more HP with the Hondata, and if I do, they pay and if I do not, they have the better product and it costs them nothing.
Does Bob Norwood use that new autotronic? or whatever? Or does he still use Dual MOTEC's all on his Ferrari's?
I thought he was very knowledgable, and he is right next door to Haltech. Which is ironic.
Jeff
The new Hondata S100 fits entirely INSIDE the ECU. There is no way to tell the ECU is not stock from the outside, yet you have full rom tuning ability.
And its only what? $245? A great value.
I offer a guarantee to people on the fence between systems. If somebody has an AEM, or DFI or SpeedPRO DOS based, I offer a chance to make more HP with the Hondata, and if I do, they pay and if I do not, they have the better product and it costs them nothing.
Does Bob Norwood use that new autotronic? or whatever? Or does he still use Dual MOTEC's all on his Ferrari's?
I thought he was very knowledgable, and he is right next door to Haltech. Which is ironic.
Jeff
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (ImportReview)
Bob uses Motec on just about every car he works on. He actually used to own Haltec until 1993 when he sold it. He doesn't use haltec anymore because they haven't progressed with technology. They finally came out with a new unit that should be available soon. What it really comes down to in the end is the one your tuner is most familiar with. If you can't work it then it's not going to do you any good!
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (tony1)
Bob uses Motec on just about every car he works on. He actually used to own Haltec until 1993 when he sold it. He doesn't use haltec anymore because they haven't progressed with technology. They finally came out with a new unit that should be available soon. What it really comes down to in the end is the one your tuner is most familiar with. If you can't work it then it's not going to do you any good!
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Re: Stand Alone Engine Management (newspeedR)
yup.. ralphy switched from DFI to run AEM and is having good succes with it...
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