Stroker

Here it is. I have a stroked b16a3, type R head, crower cams, eibach valve springs, titanium retainers, and stock valves, knife edged crankshaft, crower stroker kit with je pistons 11.5 compression ratio, type r LSD, ACT solid six puk with the b16a3 tranny.

OK thats my N/A monster right, wrong, i hate no tourqe. I need your help guys my whole car is going through changes right now, and its either the b20 N/A or a turbo what do you guys think??

Suggestions are welcomed and i really need them.

illi Adik

Jackson.

Stroker

No if i go F/I its gonna be turbo

Tinker219

push 7 psi into that engine and youll see 350whp with tuning no prob....

TurboSohc

Your going to love having some TQ

sharkcohen

Your compression is higher than what I would be comfortable with, but it is doable with proper fuel/engine management and GOOD tuning. I am assuming that your Crower cams are ground for NA and high compression (high amount of overlap), so they may not be good for FI.


[Modified by sharkcohen, 12:28 AM 3/10/2003]

jinxproof99

i have had:

170 hsp/140 tq n/a b20, non vtec
210 hsp/155 tq n/a b20 vtec
230 hsp/?? tq jrsc b18c1 (8 lb pulley)
360 hsp/260 tq b18c1 turbo
509 hsp/319 tq b18c1 turbo

all of these power plants were in 92-95 hatch's. the supercharger set up was only faster than the non vtec set up. slower than the others(including the b20vtec). and i would always suggest going TURBO.

i would pull the block, sleeve it, get some 9:1 / 84mm pistons and put a custom turbo on it. you could sell the cams for a nice $$$ amount, get some gsr cams for cheap and save yourslef some loot.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:30 PM 3/9/2003]


[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:31 PM 3/9/2003]

Stroker

HUH i dont know jack about turbo, honestly i know nothing about turbo i cant afford all this sleeved stuff i just want to be able to run mild boost like 13-15 psi.

I know ill have ot change my pistons but what else, sleeving the block is not an option as of now, and yes my cams are the N/A crowers, so what else??

sharkcohen

Stock.

Stroker

They are in my shop. Common guys i need some stuff here, im lookin gto do this in a few days.

Sleepin'

Lower the compression a tad bit, I wouldnt be comfortable boosting an engine with that high CR. Throw the stock cams back in it, GSR cams are truly about the best for FI. If you choose not to do a custom turbo, I would suggest a RevHard or DragIII kit(with a TiAL wastegate and an inline-pro manifold).


[Modified by Sleepin', 1:48 AM 3/10/2003]

Stroker

How do i go about doing a custom job???
I dont have any knid of fuel managment yet, stock rail well type r rail and stock injectors, what all will i have to do to them, and is it cheaper to do a custom turbo, how do i go about findingo out what parts go with what

jinxproof99

you are from northern virginia. call inlinepro @ 703-644-1788.

i was just suggesting sleeves since they aren't too expensive and i figured you'd be taking out your block anyway. plus, going with 84mm pistons would be a hell of alot better than b16 pistons. i ran over 500 hsp to the wheels on stock sleeves. leave them stock, get an inlinepro turbo kit and run 11's.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 11:16 PM 3/9/2003]

J.R.

[QUOTE] custom turbo on it.
[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:30 PM 3/9/2003]


[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:31 PM 3/9/2003]

HUH i dont know jack about turbo, honestly i know nothing about turbo i cant afford all this sleeved stuff i just want to be able to run mild boost like 13-15 psi.

QUOTE]
If you want to run that boos on a STOCK motor, I would get it sleeved

mamaboy

sell the cams and get some injectors that's what i'd do first. then sell the pistons and use that money to fund putting your stock pistons back in...or if you can put it in yourself power to you...then i'd buy my Walbro 255lph intank and an SX/Aeromotive/Paxton FPR with the money if that was the case. you'd probably have some cash left over...i'm thinking. maybe you can do the DSM450cc's and a resistor box if you wanna save some cash...you can probably score these for 100 bucks together....but without the cleaning and balancing. Just trying to think of the cheapest route...thas my .02
OH yeah and the turbo...muwhahahwahhaa


[Modified by mamaboy, 4:27 AM 3/10/2003]

MiraiZ

then don't do it! SERIOUSLY...I would not jump into turboing an R...Its one of the hardest cars to turbo and you do have to have a fairly hefty budget....look up my past posts and you'll see what I had to do to get a safe and reliable setup. I'm not going to say high compression w/turbo is good or bad, but do yourself and your car a BIG favor and get forged pistons and rods AT LEAST...the stock pistons literally shattered in my car...they are VERY weak and cannot take boost very well.And I would invest in a good standalone...(that's $2000 already -not including the turbo)...it you cannot afford that...the SERIOUSLY...reconsider!!...Don't ruin your car on a half baked job....make sure you have all bases covered.

MachAF

I'd lower the compression unless you plan on running race gas

T-sohctec

1.) Jinx knows his **** so listen to him !

2.) this past sat. I personally saw a COMPLETELY stock internals ITR put down close to 300WHP with a hondata.

3.)my suggestions-
Engine:
Do Pistons & Rods
GSR cams
Fuel:
450's, resistor pak
& a walboro no FPR
Management:
Hondata & dyno tuning

as far as what to do about a Turbo kit I suggest a custom kit
I.E. stay in the boost forum and ask as many Q's as possible and search this stuff out.

I will say this, know your goals. I suggested 450's cuz with the power these will support, anything bigger is silly for a FWD car IMO.

Also like Jinx has already illustrated the B20 is a POS there is only one other alternative.

good luck & welcome to the darkside.


[Modified by T-sohctec, 2:40 AM 3/10/2003]

romeo619romeo

drop your compression a bit.. with a head gasket and you shoudl be ok for turbo

Suprdave

Why are you pissed, because you have a weaksauce b16 allmotor setup. Build a real allmotor setup and make some power. B16 suck it up allmotor, ive never seen a fast 1.6L ina street car.

Suprdave

ekb18c

Do it right the first time or else you will be redoing everything later.

You can get a engine management system and boost your car even with the 11.5 compression, but you wont be able to boost too much. However, you will be making good power on low boost because of your compression.

You shouldn't say that your goal is to boost 12-14psi, your goal should be to hit a certain HP.

If you have an experienced tuner around your area then I would consider boosting your car with 11.5 compression, if you don't have an experienced tuner then go with a lower compression say around 10:1.

Here is a article of a high compression motor w/ boost that we did a long time ago.

http://www.urbanracer.com/articles/a...r.asp?a=9&z=16

So in conclusion, high compression and boost can be, and has been, done before.

Stroker

Im looking for a stock GSR bottm end right now, im going to just swap the blocks for now, and then i will build it after a while, im looking at doing a drag3 intercooler, inlinepro manifold, garret t4, hondata 2b 4300 injectors, chipped p28, whatelse you guys think, its going to be under stock compression and internals for a while. Maybye next tax season ill be working out the internals.

I did a lot of research last night about blocks, and compression, my problem is that i dont have anyone that tunes extremely well around here so no 11.5 compression.

What do you think??