Because you went through one of their "high priority" customers. you didnt go direct, did you?

art

 

I did go through Autolink (my preffered shop of choice) on Santa Anita Blvd... who does all the work unless i do it.. or they send it out for me...

so yes.. i guess i did.. ??

<-- glad i got out before i ran into bad luck with something....

 

if anyone would like me to do the same quality work as jg has on these blocks iid be glad too. ill glue some tin foil down and close the water jackets w/ cement. the best thing is, i wont take 4 months!


ttt

 

GSRwBoost, I have spoken with a guy from Autolink before after i saw there site, for other reasons. They seem to be real professional and have an awsome site as well as shop! I do remember asking if they had problems with JG and they said no. Like I said before, shops get better treatment than individuals.

Chris was his name. I spoke with Chris at Autolink. Real professional guy. Helped me out alot!
Also here is one of the first post I ever started about JG!
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/show...5&pagenumber=1


[Modified by turbo Si, 4:26 PM 10/30/2002]


[Modified by turbo Si, 4:29 PM 10/30/2002]


[Modified by turbo Si, 4:31 PM 10/30/2002]

 

Well, I'm going to give him a break becasue it's only been a day, sometimes I've been busy and if he's been working on motors I totally understand some people don't have the time to respond immedietlly (sp) But in defense of him and the fact that I have been looking at some of your products. Please respond as soon as possible so we can clear up some of the accusations. and also about the IG Engine Dynamics, ever gone to walmart and bought a bolex... do you think that's becasue Rolex had so many complaints that they had to change their name with the BBB (well I don't eventhink theyhave a BBB there...) err..but anyways you get the point, ever bought a cologne that's "remarkablly (sp) similar to..." exactlly. things may seem the same but may not be.. I don't know if they have the same # or anything but that might want to be taken into consideration before all you columbo's go ape on this guy trying to say he's committed a federal drim by reregistering his business under the BBB while the old business is still in operation...

I don't know. but I would like to hear back from the peple at JG E.D. regarding these accusations.

Thanks,

Sean C.

 

yea.. chris is the only person besides me to work on my car period! He's not a turbo tuneing wizard and doesnt claim to be, but he knows what he's doing for the other stuff...

man this keeps remeinding me of the DPR episode.. LOL

DPR
JG

man.. where has this industry gone...

i dont hear complaints about

D&D motorsports or Summit racing or PAW or any other domestic shop for that matter..

 

I always get approached at gas stations and car washes by people trying to sell me that ****... what gives..?

 

So you normally charge 3k to build a shortblock without core? What is the labor on that, over 1k for a few hours work? DayaM!

 

You've got to be kidding. To build it right it takes at least $2500 in parts and two days to do a full blueprinted assembly.

 

my pro series was

sleeves and o-ring'd
blockguard tig welded in (closed deck ??) LOL
pistons (aries 8.5-1)
rods (saenz)
cleaning etc..
new bearings etc..
knifedged crank
balance and blueprint
resurface deck and something else i dont remember


3,000$

sounds pretty good to me...

 

true. but, i have been told by an employee of their company that they give Edelbrock their "R&D" data to mass produce the parts they normally fabricate, modify, etc., upon each customer's order. so, i would think they would receive a percentage of the sales of the JG Edelbrock parts or Edelbrock paid them for their data.

 

number of pleased customers is most likly greater than the unhappy ones....

it just seems like a lot of people because our little online community we have here, everyone pretty much knows everyone.. i mean how many boards are there that as busy as this one?? for hondas..

eh.. oh well... I can't vouch for anyone elses experience just my own...

 

That is so true. It seems that only ones that are speaking out are the ones that got screwed. Where are the ones that got good service? too busy enjoying their cars maybe?

 

I've read the content posted on your website and from what I gather, JG assumes entirely too much. You assumed that the block you got was fine and only needed darton sleeves. You assumed that when the customer requested closed deck that he really meant open deck. You assumed that he wanted it painted because "most customers like the stealth look." You assumed the most expensive prices when estimating the total cost to JG.

It also seems like the block was poorly built; that torque specs were mere suggestions.

It also seems like you people have no sense of customer service. What ever happened to "the customer is right"? That means making everything the way the customer wants it, not how JG thinks the customer wants it.

I've read on every board i've been to that JG is not the place to go if you want a good quality built block with good customer service. Since JG has clearly abandoned this post (or board for that matter) you will probably not even read this. At least make an effort to defend yourself. You're talking to 1202 potential customers (the number of views of this post at the time) and you don't have the decency to back up your company? What does this alone tell me about JG? This tells me that i'm going to Golden Eagle when it comes time to sleeve my block. I hope revhardsi wins this lawsuit. I'm sick of reading posts like "JG screwed me over!"

 

Come on Dandee, your only saying that because the shop you were at did business with them. What about the head you had, how poor the port and polish job was? Or what about the cracked retainer? I know you would of been pissed if it gave way while driving! I wish, I only wish I would have known about Golden Eagle.
Also to reply to Dandee and GSRwBOOST, how about I start a thread to see how many people were actually satisfied with JG's machine work. Seriously, just to see, because i am intrested as well!

 

Do it dude, im interested also. I never said anything about JG because i thought they did a good job with porting the head and re-welding the combustion chambers. The shop that repaired my head said it was bad porting and he could've done better (piston rings bounced around the chamber). But when i saw my head after he "fixed it", i never took his comment seriously. My chambers was not all even with each other and there was pitting where he fixed it, and my head was milled to hell. I know for a fact that JG didnt mill my head that much cause i had before and after pictures of it. And about the retainers, i thought it was mostly my fault that it had a hairline crack because i took that head to 10 grand when ever i had a chance. I figured it was wear and tear. Javier replaced that one retainer for free with a brand new set of retainers.

 

Huh?

It might take ME two days, but I've never seen it take a good shop more than a few hours to build a motor, especially with only four cylinders (not to mention we're talking about a shortblock). Also, it doesn't exactly sound like they were blueprinting diddly on these motors that keep falling apart. From the sound if it, it shouldn't have taken more than an hour for them to slap one of these hot rod babies together lol!

Now how much do you think they are paying for rods, pistons, bearings, rings, and sleeves? No f'ing way they are paying 2500 for that. Now I know you've been around for some years now, but i have built my share of motors and that's just plain expensive to me. You have to consider though that I have built all my motors myself so I can't possibly imagine paying anybody anything in labor charges.


[Modified by Hatchblack, 4:59 AM 10/31/2002]

 

Regardless of how many happy customers there are, there are way to many unhappy customers, PR sucks, and i still don't get why you would paint a block black. You would never find an oil leak until it was way to late.

 

Let's run some numbers:
$550 custom JE pistons, pins and rings
$600 Crower rods
$650 Sleeve install
$100 Bore and hone
$100 Bearings
$120 Balance
$30 Micropolish
$100 Oilpump
$50 Water Pump
$50 Hot tank and clean
$50 Lower gasket/seals kit
There's $2400 for motor with good parts. Sure you can save $$ with Chinese rods and cheap pistons and some one will be able to find something cheaper than what I listed above but this is the reality of a good engine. If you can build a good race engine in less than two days, you are skipping steps and shortchanging your customer.

 

You also live in the LA area. The people who get screwed (At least from what I have read) live far away from that area. THat is our whole point. If you can drive to their place and bitch at them personally, no problem. When it has to be done over the phone, email or fax, that is a different story. The battles will continue if you live miles from them.


[Modified by ladysman, 7:53 AM 10/31/2002]

 

Wow, I just found this browsing at work. I want to crarify that I wanted a closed deck pro series block. Over the phone I wanted closed deck period. Out of everything that I only wanted was a closed deck. You explained that I knew they had bensons sleeves in it, that I understood. But again, I requested a closed deck pro series and I wanted it all done from scratch.

U tried to close the deck on the motor u shipped me buy CNC ing the block to make the brace fit, and what looks to me u realized that the bensons/Darton sleeves were to thick so you just left it and shipped it to me. The block u sent me should've not took more than 3-4 weeks to build like you promised, but u ran into complications with the sleeves...so it took 3 months.

The pics of the block on the link are not of my block possibly, u sent me pics of the block with sleeves that were not attached. The block pics u had here are not it.

There is nothing else I want to say about this besides that u faxed me papers saying u will refund me in full when u recieve the block as u shipped it. The block was sent out today and u should recieve it in 7 days or so.

This whole ordeal was very frustrating and I want to put it behind me. The only thing that was true that u said to me was that u stand behind ur work. Bottom line is I am a very disatisfied customer and u are refunding me my money in full because of the poor work on the block that I recieved. I was willing to go to the ends of the earth with this if I was to get screwed.
am getting refunded my money so....

Case closed

 

my bad, that is the block u sent me after a closer look. If u look closely, these pics are bad resolution, but besides. in between 3 and 4 cylinders they are milled in due to the cnc machine. And the top pic of the piston, the 1 and 2 sleeves are split. Of course u can't see it in the pic they provided.

 

Than you provide us pictures of your block.

 

I dont think they need to take off his post limit,not at the rate he's posting at! lol. Too bad i bet things wouldve gotten really interesting if he had the ***** to tried and calm down and take care of the upset people w/problems in such a public forum.

 

Agreed, sometimes you just gotta suck up and face the music... By popping in with a few retorts and then boning out, it really makes it seem like JG was overwhelmed by the negative feedback and just gave up. I'd like to see where this goes.... but unless JG responds this is going to get worse and worse for them IMHO. TTT for a resolution


[Modified by mskibbz, 5:03 AM 11/12/2002]