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Old 03-17-2002, 07:35 AM
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i just finished installing my turbo on saterday i am running a holly intank fuel pump 310 injecters b&m presure regulater and a fmu all this is in a b16a2 we started the car and it ran like crap ,it couldn't idol there was white smoke from the exaust under 3000 rpm there was a cloud of smoke in back of me is this all because i am runing rich i drove it for about 50 miles and burnt 1/2 tank of gas around the tip of my exaust there is oil build up . i also noticed a clunking sound from my valve cover when i rev it at 2000-3000 rpm like there is a bolt bouncing around in there. please i need some urgent help thanks
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (mannysir)

good lord running rich is the least of your worries!!! pull the valve cover off and see whats wrong. and get another car in the meantime.
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I really wouldn't have driven that after hearing of your problems. I would have someone that knows there ish to check that out. did the engine run before the turbo?
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ok i took off my valve cover and everything seems ok i cheched if all my valves were tight and they are now iam planing to drill a hole in my fuel pressure regulater and see what happens
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (mannysir)

Sounds to me like you don't have mising link check valves. If there not there your ecu is getting a whole bunch of readings it can't handle. Very rough idle, toxic when running, all the symtoms you just mentioned.
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what is your timing set to? What rise rate do you have for the FMU?
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i do have a missing link and my rise rate is 8:1 on the fmu i drilled the hole in the fpr and my presure is at 43 psi do you think thats alright
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what is your fuel pressure and what disk are u using in the FMU? Do u have a fuel controller?
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what is your fuel pressure and what disk are u using in the FMU? Do u have a fuel controller?
he just said he's running an 8:1 fmu and fuel pressure at 43psi. anyways...the fuel setup seems to be ok. I dont think he would need a fuel controller with those 310 cc injectors for it to idle ok. Seems like ur getting all the same symptoms as my car...i still have yet to figure mine out also.

Btw...u getting any type of CEL? Wut are ur plugs gapped to?
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Is your car over heating at all? Check to see if you have enough coolant...my car idled shitty before cuz of the coolant system.
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (BoostedSi)

I was still writing my reply while he posted the fuel pressure info, etc...

But anyways, I have 310's with an inline pump and fuel pressure at about 47psi and it wouldn't idle without a fuel controller. It was so bad I could see fuel coming out of a crack in my exhaust manifold...lol


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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (TurboTypeR98)

Oh..i didnt think u needed a fuel controller til you go over 310cc...but i guess try taking those injectors out and replace them with ur stock injectors. See if that helps...if it does, you know you need a fuel controller of some type to get ur car to idle rite with those injectors.
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (BoostedSi)

That's what I heard as well...maybe others get them to idle without a fuel controller by lowering the FP with an adjustable FPR?


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ok took the the for a spin it seems to run ok now but i still have white smoke comming from the exaust still, do u think its possible i have a seal broken on my exaust side of the turbo the engine is untouched so its cant be a gasket or somethig
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (mannysir)

Doesnt white smoke have to something to do with the coolant system? I'm almost positive it does.

Check your coolant system.
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i think i found the problem i spoke to the guy who sold me the turbo and figured that i am using 1/4 oil lines where as my return line should be slightly bigger like 1/2 inch so then i have oil seeping through my tubo seals and burning oil so ill breig it to the shop and see if hes right ill keep u guys posted tomorrow
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (mannysir)

i dont think the oil lines have anything to do with it. if anything, bigger 1/4 larger oil lines should help, not make the problem bad. maybe the turbo you got had bad seals in the first place. what you should do is take that controller off and sell it. you dont need it. if you want to, you can take off the controller and see how it runs. an upgraded fuel pump and those 310s are good enough to work in conjunction with the fmu.
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (dlplayboy)

what controller are you talking about what size oil lines do you guys have
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Default Re: please help runing very very rich (mannysir)

you prob. blew a head gasket
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I had holley intank forced induction fuel pump and 440 cc injectors with 12:1 FMU and VAFC before. I notice when I first start the engine when the install was over it idle funny and lot of gas fume coming out. I set the vafc in narrow band and also wide band on 1000 rpm to -40 to saturate the fuel. I would assume that even it's 310cc injectors, the holley pump is crucial in delivering fuel. Lean it out if you havn't done so. White smoke is probably due to coolant or oil burn. Don't run thick oil feed line and do run large oil return line. Did you crank the oil out of the feedline before you start the engine and spool the turbo? If not , it very damaging sometimes. The knocking sound, if it solved? I say just take it to a shop that specialize in turbo install and get it fixed, many may not believe in shops sometimes but if they know more than you do, they might save the engine.


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