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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by vwbased
1. Possibly too much boost on a wimpy cast piston.

2. The second land can break before the top. It did so on my old B20's cast pistons without a hint of detonation. Just too aggressive of a tune. Postmortem of combustion chambers and rod bearings indicated no detonation.

3. Lean spikes can be indicative of missfiring which includes detonation. When a cylinder missfires or detonates, the oxygen is not completely consumed and the WBO2 gauge will read lean. HOWEVER, your lean spikes are occurring during shifts and so are not indicating detonation.

4. The black top land can also be an indication of detonation. Detonation can result in a rich combustion around the top ring land. Normal combustion tends to leave the top land clean. The usefulness of this tip depends on whether the engine has a lot of miles on it.
Usually detonation would melt parts of the top ringland at least, and leave a pitted surface on the piston tops. Any kind of shock or heat that the bottom ringland sees from detonation is way less than what the top ringland will see. It's because the second ringland broke, without any visible damage to the top of the piston that I doubt detonation was the issue.

I would like to know what the ring gaps were on these two instances where the bottom ringland broke before the top, or if they were even checked.
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by joppe
Using crome free/pro you have too much ignition when high boost. I have logged with pro that ign map says 10, 8, 6 degrees and datalog still shows like 16. It doesnt pull timing enough. Somewhere fix for it but with crome gold it pulls enough timing. Maybe get ectune for better EMS. Im using ectune for my car and crome gold for other cars tuning.
Thats because you won't have changed the base timing map.
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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Arnt these nippon pistons?
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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 02:21 AM
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After taking another look at the top off the piston, i didn't notice any metal specs which are signs of detonation so i'm gonna have to retract my first diagnosis and have to say that it's improper ring gap. The rings expand during heat and if the clearance is too tight they will butt and pop the ring land out from the pressure. My apology guys.
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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tagperformance
After taking another look at the top off the piston, i didn't notice any metal specs which are signs of detonation so i'm gonna have to retract my first diagnosis and have to say that it's improper ring gap. The rings expand during heat and if the clearance is too tight they will butt and pop the ring land out from the pressure. My apology guys.
so lets see some pics of the bores....

could have sucked some oil in via the PCV or a blown turbo, limiting fuel octane... etc..

theres a lot of things that can happen...
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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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have a nice day

Last edited by vwbased; Jan 27, 2013 at 08:47 PM. Reason: have a nice day
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Old Aug 7, 2011 | 10:43 AM
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Default Re: piston break

Thank you for your answers.

YCP pistons were. The ring gap was appropriate.
Probably even without the turbo broke a piston.
I did to the engine. Currently, much better.
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Old Aug 7, 2011 | 01:52 PM
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whats the PTW clearance is? sometime if the clearance too small also can make this kind of damage.
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 05:09 AM
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Thank you for all your help. I do not know why it was destroyed in the piston, but now all is good.

http://youtu.be/Z-KZk9ZKnmI
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