bonylad

TIA

Chris

urbansi

i dont think you are going to find many people with their setup un-intercooled

Can i ask why you want the picture??

Hybrid96EK

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I ran mine non intercooled for a while. Did 197whp at stock boost also with an A/F ratio that was off the chart rich. It was retarded. That was back when I didn't know any better then to use the stupid blue box.

bonylad

Several reasons.

1. Its cheaper.
2. I am not looking for a **** load of power here. 190 whp or so will be fine.
3. MOST IMPORTANT its for my whole sleeper theme.

VI Boost

if u want the car to be a sleeper, y dont u just buy an intercooler and spray it black so no one will be able to notice it?

urbansi

or use a liquid to air intercooler or a sidemount

beerbongskickass

It's not going to be a sleeper when everybody beats you lol... You can get decent intercoolers for like $200. Look into getting a johnnyracecar or custom coach intercooler.

Black R

y'know what's funny?

i've seen a yellow eg from FL come to a drag event in AL and the turbo was hanging out of the front bumper.

NO INTERCOOLER.

dude was running 10's all day long.

I was impressed, and saw no alcohol, methanol, nor water injection.....!

beerbongskickass

Your either being sarcastic or your full of **** lol...

bonylad

I am not looking for alot of power. Later on maybe. For now though...

beerbongskickass

It doesn't matter if your not looking for a lot of power. The main idea of an intercooler is to cool the air down going into your engine, so it doesn't blow up. Get one because it will cost more to rebuild your motor.

Black R

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dead serious.

BlueLude94

This would be a situation where you could stay NA reach your goal maybe save money and be safer, my $.02

Weq

Black R: I think u will find he was running a water to air intercooler mounted near the TB.

EK_GSR

i wish i had one of those pictures where it said. NO ONE CARES.. lol... do the homework, intercooler is worth the hundred bucks instead of re-building the motor. just look on ebay.

bonylad

Oh. My. God.

You know what just forget it.

beerbongskickass

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We will retard.

Schister66

have fun pickin up the pieces after it detonates on you.....

bonylad

retard? man i just asked a question. i have heard good things from people who bought
the kit. same basic thing as the jrsc. its not intercooled and runs similar boost. greddy themselves have said its ok. for low boost apps.

seriously. calling me names doesnt bother me.........but to be so smug as if you know everything there is gets me.

beerbongskickass

Using and intercooler with a turbo kit is basic knowledge anybody should know.

Dmeet07

I agree with kit ***. Its pointless to turbo charge anythign without an intercooler. Seems to me that you have about 3 options:

1) get an intercooler
2) dont turbo ur motor
3) just supercharge it since you think its ok.

if you have ever had turbo maybe you will realize what everyone is saying to you. Your pretty much saying that you want to force hot *** air into ur engine. nooo that increases the hell out of detonation. If your going to run no-intercooler then run only 5psi and no more.

rafimos

ill get you some pics of my 99 ex turbo, ive got a sidemount...car looks stock

bonylad

Why is it not ok to supercharge it. Hell I found an old issue of SCC during the whole Si competition thing. They praised it.

Assuming you dont want much more than 40-50 hp over stock.

Which is reason 2 I waould like it. Same thing for the Greddy kit. They make it, and Greddy has a good reputation. I dont see how it will hurt anything assuming I run the premium fuel (I do), retard the timing (I would), and install colder plugs (I would).

Everyones Hero

I don't have a picture, but I'm going to add my .02.

The kit doesn't come with one so you can safely run it at the boost it was designed for with no intercooler.

For awhile I was thinking about re-routing the piping on my setup to run it without the intercooler because I was only running about 7psi on a TD04 14G. I figured I'd make more power with the little bit of extra heat as opposed to the pressure drop of my 6" FMIC. Now that I've turned it up to 12-15psi I wouldn't run without the intercooler.

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bonylad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why is it not ok to supercharge it. Hell I found an old issue of SCC during the whole Si competition thing. They praised it.

Assuming you dont want much more than 40-50 hp over stock.

Which is reason 2 I waould like it. Same thing for the Greddy kit. They make it, and Greddy has a good reputation. I dont see how it will hurt anything assuming I run the premium fuel (I do), retard the timing (I would), and install colder plugs (I would).

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Problem #1: Compressing air creates heat.
Problem #2: Increased intake temps = increased chance of detonation. Especially on engines with "higher" compression levels
Problem #3: You aren't planning on running any kind of good management. You shouldn't need to pull timing at the dist. You need something that can pull timing based off boost. Crome/Uberdata is my reccomendation.

I don't think anyone is trying to tell you it CAN'T be done.. but I do think people are trying to tell you it SHOLDN'T be done.

JRSC's just aren't the greatest in terms of money spent for power gained. It takes power to make power with a supercharger. Considering that several supercharger companies I have spoken to remark on how the blowers are "undersized" for thier applications, this further makes me lean towards a turbo setup. This coupled with less upgrade ability with a supercharger kind of seals the deal. Do they work? Sure. Do they make more power then stock? Yeah. Was I ever impressed by a supercharged Si at the local track? Nope.

Now, if you must turbocharge something without an intercooler, just be aware of the consequences. I ran around for a while with my Greddy Turbo SI and I didn't have a supercharger. I wasn't about to drop the money Greddy wanted for the kit, so it was fine how it was, right? I supposed in all fairness, if I would have invested in some form of good management asside from the blue box, it would have been. It ran 14.3 @ 98mph in this form and did 197whp on the dyno. Everything stock minus a thermal 3" turbo exhaust. I didn't touch boost, nothing. It lasted about 1-2 months at this rate before it detonated and took out the #3 ring lands. I got lucky enough that it didn't touch the cylinder walls in the process so I just replaced the one bad cylinder and moved on. Needless to say, I borrowed some money and got the large intercooler for the car as well. With no other modifications, it lowered boost pressure slightly to 5-6psi (as it should have) and the car had serious traction issues up until about 60ish. Could have been the tires, who knows. I'm not trying to act like traction issues are cool, I'm just saying that before the intercooler, it wasn't an issue with 197whp, afterwards, it was. It no doubt added a good chunk of power, but I was still scared and later sold the kit and the car and went the NA EG hatch route.

Anyways, the point here is you can cut corners and just slap on parts if you wish. Its your car, no one can tell you otherwise. What you SHOULD do is listen to some of us who have made these mistakes and been down these roads. B series crap is not cheap. Why do you think I went back to the D when I decided to take another shot at boost? If you blow it up, its going to cost you, make you feel bad, and just set you back in general. All for what? So you could tell people you had a non intercooled SI? You could at least spring for a JRC intercooler and make your own pipes and only be about $400 deeper then without the intercooler. Isn't that worth it for piece of mind?