NX Ntercooler worth it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flashmn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it wont find its way to the intake tract, from what it seems to the molecule "miles away". in N2O setups you spray it INSIDE the intake tract, not outside at the filter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
With all the air flowing... and the rate that the front systems dump n20... it will make it into the turbo... unless its ducted for a cold air format. It will be diluted of course... but it will make it. Its the same principal as Jeff Evans post on dump tubes and how they can directly affect engine output (contamination from dumps).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flashmn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Only at pressure inside the cylinder, thats why you wont set your car on fire apraying it at the IC. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yah, since by nature n20 "isn't"(used loosely
) flammable, its once its broken down (combusted) that its release of o2 promotes enhance/excelerated combustion.
With all the air flowing... and the rate that the front systems dump n20... it will make it into the turbo... unless its ducted for a cold air format. It will be diluted of course... but it will make it. Its the same principal as Jeff Evans post on dump tubes and how they can directly affect engine output (contamination from dumps).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flashmn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Only at pressure inside the cylinder, thats why you wont set your car on fire apraying it at the IC. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yah, since by nature n20 "isn't"(used loosely
) flammable, its once its broken down (combusted) that its release of o2 promotes enhance/excelerated combustion.
umm last i checked, nitrous is combustable and is USED for engines to gain power, and CO2 is used to put fire out.
why would it run lean? The MAFS will read it if it get sucked into the turbo and will compensate enough fuel. The tiny bit that gets sucked in wont affect your precision tuning that much to make it run completely off.
//edit: just remembered u honda folks run MAP sensors.
why would it run lean? The MAFS will read it if it get sucked into the turbo and will compensate enough fuel. The tiny bit that gets sucked in wont affect your precision tuning that much to make it run completely off.
//edit: just remembered u honda folks run MAP sensors.
I remember last year there was that ad in magazines for the Cheetah C02 system that actually sprayed C02 out your fender at your competitor so that in a drag race his motor would injest C02 and you'd win. Most hilarious concept ever.
FWIW, the NTercooler is for show only. I've got one, but only because it was free along with a standard NX wet kit. You're better off just using a small shot of nitrous the regular way. More efficient.
A friend tried one on his 8 sec. street tire class Supra, it made no difference on the dyno. He actually had 2 spray bars on his IC because it was so tall, but I think they couldn't measure a difference on the dyno at all other than the usual variance, and this is on a 1000whp car so he just stuck to a standard nitrous kit.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverbullet86 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">umm last i checked, nitrous is combustable and is USED for engines to gain power, and CO2 is used to put fire out.
why would it run lean? The MAFS will read it if it get sucked into the turbo and will compensate enough fuel. The tiny bit that gets sucked in wont affect your precision tuning that much to make it run completely off.
//edit: just remembered u honda folks run MAP sensors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
FWIW, the NTercooler is for show only. I've got one, but only because it was free along with a standard NX wet kit. You're better off just using a small shot of nitrous the regular way. More efficient.
A friend tried one on his 8 sec. street tire class Supra, it made no difference on the dyno. He actually had 2 spray bars on his IC because it was so tall, but I think they couldn't measure a difference on the dyno at all other than the usual variance, and this is on a 1000whp car so he just stuck to a standard nitrous kit.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverbullet86 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">umm last i checked, nitrous is combustable and is USED for engines to gain power, and CO2 is used to put fire out.
why would it run lean? The MAFS will read it if it get sucked into the turbo and will compensate enough fuel. The tiny bit that gets sucked in wont affect your precision tuning that much to make it run completely off.
//edit: just remembered u honda folks run MAP sensors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flashmn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it wont find its way to the intake tract, from what it seems to the molecule "miles away". in N2O setups you spray it INSIDE the intake tract, not outside at the filter. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've seen cars dynoed with the Ntercooler kit that jump a full A/F point and add 30+ horsepower on the spot when we hit the Ntercooler on the dyno. A 10-20 degree reduction in inlet temps do not equal 30 WHP all on their own on a ~280 WHP car. As splitime pointed out, Jeff Evans was seeing cars losing power on the dyno from no dumptubes, or even dumptubes mounted several inches past the turbocharger from them injesting hot exhaust gasses.
I've seen cars dynoed with the Ntercooler kit that jump a full A/F point and add 30+ horsepower on the spot when we hit the Ntercooler on the dyno. A 10-20 degree reduction in inlet temps do not equal 30 WHP all on their own on a ~280 WHP car. As splitime pointed out, Jeff Evans was seeing cars losing power on the dyno from no dumptubes, or even dumptubes mounted several inches past the turbocharger from them injesting hot exhaust gasses.
just to clear some info up, nitrous oxide is NOT flammable, its an accelerant. Carbon dioxide will starve your engine and cause it to die.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tokes1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As splittime pointed out</TD></TR></TABLE>
One T darnit!
One T darnit!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
One T darnit!
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Geeez, fixed
One T darnit!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Geeez, fixed
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by abmerop18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so does anyone have any actual dyno results of cars with the n-tercooler or cryo2 systems or is everyone just going by what they have "heard"?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Everyone's seen dynos, the point is dyno's don't meant **** because the motor is making more power due to injesting nitrous, not because of the lower IAT's.
Everyone's seen dynos, the point is dyno's don't meant **** because the motor is making more power due to injesting nitrous, not because of the lower IAT's.
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