that is if you are running a stock tune which you should not do and are an idiot for doing and you claimed that you were not

 

and without an o2 sensor the computer would be giving teh engine the fuel for a na engine and it would be way lean where as if it had a sensor it would help to richen up the mixture

 

if you are running with closed loop enabled then the only time the ecu is reading off your tune is in open loop you idiot

 

last time i checked the ecu is awalys reading from your tune

 

and all this accurate information is comming from someone who runs 14.1 with a turbo

 

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LOL... Mase tuned my car aswell, and I don't run an o2. It's always running in open loop.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16h22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">umm ya you are completely wrong, The oxygen sensor reports live information about the engine's air/fuel mixture to the computer. This information is used primarily to help calculate fuel delivery to the engine, which changes continuously while it is running. If the engine is running lean, the powertrain control module will sense this from the oxygen sensor's signal and increase the air/fuel mixture to the engine same goes the oppisate way. say you have a clogged fuel filter and you are running no oxygen sensor. you have nothing to tell you that you are running dangerously lean and risk damaging your engine</TD></TR></TABLE>

try again dumbfuck

out of all the sensors that give the ECU feedback, the O2 sensor has the LEAST amount of authority by how much it can change the fuel trim. The ECU uses MAP vs. RPM to lookup the injector pulsewidth in the VE tables and uses others to correct for changes in ambient air temp, engine coolant temp, and rapid changes in throttle position. It uses O2 last, to make any last minor tweaks it can determine are necessary for the most optimal fuel efficiency and proper emissions.

MAP, TPS, IAT, Water Temp, RPM all have much more importance...thus why if your O2 sensor goes bad, your car will still run...if one of the primary sensors goes bad, your ECU goes into LIMP mode.

 

yes that is true for a natrually aspirated enginewhat you do not realize is that it has no way of telling how much air is going in th engine with the turbo and has no way to tell what the a/f ratio in the exhaust is. go ahead run without one and pull a sparkplug after driving it will be dead lean

 

Ive been running no o2 for 6months now. Ever since I boosted. No problem here.

I logged my AFR here and there, and yep, its targeted at 12:1 AFR in boost always.

Narrowband o2 sensor does **** for you buddy. Only to tell you, if your LEAN/STOCH/RICH...of fuel.. Nothing more..

OMG OMG! My motor is ******* up, because I got no o2 sensor! But hey, I got my tuned map to back it up... I careless for the narrow band o2.. Run in Open Loop and youll be fine.

 

if you are running a stock tune and you are boosted then you nede an 02 sensor if you have a program tuned for your boost levels then good for one you don't really need one

 

b16h22. you sir are ignorant.

&lt;---- No o2 sensor. hondata tuned.

go eat poop now.

 

yes you just agreed with me if you are running a stock tune you need one if you are tuned then you can do without it

 

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who ever said we were talking about a stock tune? What the hell do you expect my car to run with a turbo? I have an almost stock turbo sohc...not a built motor. I wouldn't consider your information accurate after reading your little story of how you got beat by a geo metro in your automatic dx civic.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1100651 what a dumbass...

 

you mean the story i made up well then belive what you want read the first few posts he is running a stock obd1 tune

this is what i really drive supercharged yes but i still know turbos

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=6

 

it is pretty funny actually that story is talked about all over honda-tech and when I was playing counter-strike a few people were talking baout that thred

and you say that is pretty good for your car but then you say "crappy 60' - uberdata untuned...with messed up wastegate causing a super slow spooling turbo"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16h22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you mean the story i made up well then belive what you want read the first few posts he is running a stock obd1 tune

this is what i really drive supercharged yes but i still know turbos

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=6</TD></TR></TABLE>
so what the hell were you trying to accomplish with that thread anyways?

Yes i know he is running an obd1 tune. What you are too ignorant to realize is that there is probably a reason he is running an obd1 ecu instead of an obd2 ecu on his obd2 car. Why don't you ask yourself why he would have converted to obd1 in the first place. I'm sure as hell that he didn't do it just so he could run a shitty fmu. He probably converted so he can chip the ecu and run hondata, uberdata, etc. where you can make your own fuel tables.

Also what the hell does this thread even have to do with my car? What kind of times does your car run if you think mine is ****?

 

So your point is?

Dude, trying to be cool as if you own a honda? Change your name to Ford power or something...

Curious, what makes you wonder around Honda Forums anyways? Im sure you got better response for Ford at the ford Forums.

HE'S STEALING OUT IDEA GUyS!! Plan on getting a h22 swapped in your Ford?

None the less, you sounds damn ANnoying. &gt;_&lt;

 

well i mainly came across this forum to watch the videos then i thought up the geo metro kill story and wanted to post buy you were required to have 20 posts or something like that and doing that made me realize how many people do not know what they are talking about. yes he swapped so he can get them but for the time being he does not have those things so it would be wise of him to run an 02 sensor, but you people can't take being wrong you just spin the whole thing around until you are right and a 14.1 quarter with a turbo civic is simply pathetic and since you asked i ran an 11.4 as my best time with slicks hitting the brakes at the end trying not to get banned from teh track for not having a roll cage

 

he never said that he was running a stock p28 either. You did the same thing and assumed it wasn't modified. How is a 14.1 with a turbo civic pathetic? I have a ******* 1.6l engine making 200whp max in a heavy *** 98 ex coupe. Coupled with the fact that i wasn't hitting full boost until around 5000rpms because of my fucked up internal gate on my tiny wrx turbo and the fact that I can't launch for **** (best 60' of 2.4 ). I think that its not too bad.

 

yes thankyou you basically just stated that you could have run much better, and when they don;t list anymods then i am going to assumb that it is stock unless he says otherwise as the majority of hondas are stock. and a turbo that was made for a bigger engine(2liter) should be more than sufficent for a 1.6l did it occour to you that the turbo may be too big, that with the stock cam on a 1.6l will barely have enough exhaust to spool that turbo

 

wow you guys are getting each other way off topic..

If its a stock ECU ROM then running without an O2 sensor will most likely dump fuel at part throttle because of limp mode and will run about the same full throttle as its not used in that scenarip anyhow.

THe stock O2 sensor on just about all Honda's is a narrowband sensor and is only accurate from 14.1-15.1~ it reads for 14.7 correction factor no matter what.

As of now on a Honda ECU, every program that I'm aware of will only be able to have the stock O2 sensor adjust to 14.7. Most people just program the ROM to there table values and don't even bother using the O2 sensor since you can get better gas mileage if you tune it yourself. You can actually drive at part throttle and be more effcient above 14.7 say maybe 15.1 for example. The stock sensor won't adjust that lean but you can program manual values for 15.1 and then change it to whatever is neccesary at full throttle.

**If we were able to use a 5wire or 6 wire wideband O2 sensor then yes theres a possiblilty to make the ECU read those readings and adjust to something other then 14.7. These wideband O2's came stock on Civic VX Vtec-E, and HX models I believe but not much research was directed towards these ECU's because of there lack of availiblity and expense of the NGK wideband sensor**

-To summarize my opinion, use a O2 sensor on a stock ECU. On a chipped ECU use a wideband and disable the O2 sensor and you will get better and more consistent results. I never have used a O2 sensor and my cars have driven great!!

 

Your a moron b16h22a. We care less on how much power you make on your ford or how fast you run. We break it down to the point, that its not neccesary to run the o2 sensor. Nothing more.

There are honda's on here, going faster then you ever can dream.

My stock gsr turbo, makes a 12.5 1/4 time, with 5psi boost (shitty 2.4 traction). yes, in my 1.8 liter.. But do I go around capping or talking **** about other peoples car? on how "pathetic" they are? Bad start for a new comer.

14.0 flat for a simple civic setup isnt that bad. Consider they run 16+ 1/4times (stock).. I give him props.. give him some time, and Im sure he be damn fast, takes time to fix problems on cars. Dont under estimate cars with problems, wait till he fully get things fixed. Then ull see whats up..

" wanna race for pink slips? " Goddamn haters.

 

yes i know some hondas can run faster anycar can run faster with enough money i don't really care but fact is they have much more money into them then i do and some running even slower

and yes you made the point with a computer reprogramming you can do without an 02sensor is you wish to be that way what you fail to realize is that we have been saying that the whole time. he asked if there are anydrawbacks and i told him and you guys **** your pants with the thought of being wrong and you know what you are wrong.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16h22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes thankyou you basically just stated that you could have run much better, and when they don;t list anymods then i am going to assumb that it is stock unless he says otherwise as the majority of hondas are stock. and a turbo that was made for a bigger engine(2liter) should be more than sufficent for a 1.6l did it occour to you that the turbo may be too big, that with the stock cam on a 1.6l will barely have enough exhaust to spool that turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>
how many stock turbo cars have you seen come with giant turbos..espescially 4 cylinder cars? The wrx turbo is about the size of a dsm t25 turbo. Also I don't have a stock cam I have a high lift comp cam. Oh and btw now that I fixed my wastegate problems and got an external I hit full boost(10psi) by about 3000 rpms. That is how small the turbo is. Why do you think wrxs die out up top?

 

well the die up top because of all wheel drive or maby you have not heard of driveline loss and the turbos themselves are capiable of running around 12psi and then there is the fact that they have a very restrictive exhaust (3 cats) and you are forgetting that your engine is about 25% smaller then theirs so yea a bigger turbo isn't gona do you much good you will awalys be slow also wat cam do you have because i hope it is not high lift but the same duration as stock cause that would be prety stupid