<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hehe, I tune a lot of them. Last time I check it was $165 for all the parts for the base system. $100 = chipped ECU.

You have to build a harness for MS too. Plus trigger wheel, EDIS if you do not want to use the stock sensors.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not use the stock sensors?

And you keep forgetting the OP ability to get tuned for free and a free install with the MS system as the pivot point.

MS has options that the chipped ECUs will never have.... its more of a full standalone. Try comparing it to an AEM EMS etc...

(i also chip/tune honda ecus... and am currently working on an MS system for a non-honda.... i can sorta talk about both...)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You are not factoring in what you need to run it too. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Then what's the true cost after these things have been factored in?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Speed94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im leaning towards not getting a chipped ECU for the fact that I have to re-flash when I change the boost or anything else</TD></TR></TABLE>

and with ms u won't have to "re-flash" when you change boost, etc.?? It always makes me wonder... sometimes I have customers like you, that don't wanna listen and want to reinvent the wheel, so I explain something once and then let them do it their way. There's a reason why more people don't run ms on honda's and that's because there's something that's already proven/better/easier/cheaper. But don't listen to h-t... be different, unique... that's what this import thing is all about right?

 

Get Uberdta and you have a Free Tunning tool for your car.

Buy some sodas or beers or whatever you like, invite 2 friends to help you install the turbo and there you have it for 20 bucks or less..

Installing a turbo system is not really hard. I didnt knew anything about it whein i first thought about boosting my car, i researched, read, looked at some other turbo rides to see where all was hooked up and then i installed my turbo setup in like 2 days..Me alone, including doing the charge pipes for the intercooler.

Basically my mechanick built the engine for boost and i took care of the rest.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why not use the stock sensors?

And you keep forgetting the OP ability to get tuned for free and a free install with the MS system as the pivot point.

MS has options that the chipped ECUs will never have.... its more of a full standalone. Try comparing it to an AEM EMS etc...

(i also chip/tune honda ecus... and am currently working on an MS system for a non-honda.... i can sorta talk about both...)</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am not talking about tuning because that would vary.

You can use the stock sensor, you have to configure to the MS. I have never put it on a honda.

I am talking about building your own harness (wire is not free nor is the right wire). I personal would not hack the stock hanress.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MS has options that the chipped ECUs will never have.... its more of a full standalone. Try comparing it to an AEM EMS etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

EMS can work like a stock ECU (control a/c, see speed, etc) so it is not a "fair" compare. (I know about the output board, but we are comparing pricing factors, etc)

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Then what's the true cost after these things have been factored in?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is a board question because you can run different options and the costs will be different.

MS 3.0v with EDIS will run you about 350-400 for everything.

Another point, why would you use a stock distributor if you do nto have it? I would run EDIS.

 

Megasquirt is way less then $250
Megasquirt 2 cost about that much and it is far better with sequential injection, build in WBO2 control, boostcontroler etc etc.
But as always ..just keep it simple and go crome, uberdata, hondata..whatever there is almost plug and play.

 

MSII is not sequential, and does not have built in boost control or WB02 control. MSII just adds a more powerful processor to the standard V2.2 board. You might be thinking of the newer V3.0 board that does have a built-in coil control for a single coil and a prototype area that makes adding a couple small things possible on the motherboard. But besides that it is the same. Oh, and the price for the MSII is just for an upgrade, you still have to build the MS I.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You simply remove the 68HC908GP32 processor on your existing MegaSquirt and plug in the MegaSquirt-II daughter card and their MegaSquirt is now a MegaSquirt-II - it takes less than a minute to do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

yes, but why do the work if someone will do it for free. I can do the install...my friend just offered to do it for me if I run MS. Im not familiar with tuning uberdata and dont have anyone tat can teach me. My friend knows MS inside and out and would be able to teach me which is a plus

 

If your buddy is going to do a bunch of work for you for free and all you have to do is run Megasquirt, then do it. Its a perfectly capable system. Just know that a chipped ECU is generally easier and more cost effective.

 

well 650 for neptune is somewhat costly compared to ms lol

 

I plan on running the Megasquirt on my mazda and converting to EDIS.
You can get all the edis components on ebay for about 100$ then you just have to splurge on a custom 36 toothed wheel.

 

MS is a great system, but like every system, it is only as good as the tuner. The only way you will be able to improve upon a system is to have a large network of users offering constant feedback. I am sure there are way more Uberdata users than MS users within the Honda community.

It's not such a great option for popular cars like Hondas with millions of proven systems to choose from. MS would be unique system for a unique car, like a turbocharged Hyundai or something which a custom universal EMS is needed anyway. Any time you resort ro custom crank trigger and sensors, you run into issues with weak signals, noise, etc...

 

I put a MS in a Bosch factory box for a Digifant VW. Used the factory pin outs and got the car to run in one night. The dizzy outputs for signals so It can be controlled with the ECU.

I am sure you could have it running through the factory harness, but why. There are better options. Well maybe not better, but more plug and play. With the Honda specific ECUs, they pretty much plug and play.

 

the thought of a product that sounds like the ultimate orgasm is disturbing. "oh baby I am ready to Mega squirt!"

 

reminds me of you turi

 

Dont really know what you are asking here, everyone gave you other suggestions and you keep denying them, nobody is bashing MS. If your buddy will do everything cheap for you do it, liek tony said its more in the tuner then the ems

 

Im not denying anyone...Im just trying to extract as much info anyone knows about MS before I choose. I just figure if I have to pay 650 for neptune and then roughly the same amount each time I change boost, engine setup, etc I might as well go with some sort of standalone. I only inquired about MS because a friend runs it and another knows how to use it. Im not opposed to using uberdata, crome, or hondata...i just dont know anyone that can "show" me how to tune with it

 

^^^ if your friend can setup and tune ms, crome, uberdata, etc. will be childsplay. Just out of curiousity, why do you have such an infactuation with neptune?

 

Its not an infatuation...more of thats what my friends are running so its more like a "me too" type thing lol.

 

I'm about to install a ms2 v3 with daughterboard in my 91 crx si with a d16z6 and so far my costs are under 500. this weekends I will be installing it So i'll have more to tell about all the probs but i've been looking into ms for almost 6 months now and its a very versitile ecu capable of beeing used on almost any engine, We plan on using it as a piggyback to steal the stock fuel maps and timing maps, You can also get a cheaper older ms1 or just ms2 to use to help you keep cost down, I see them on ebay for 100.-150. assembled and frys electronics sells all the equipment to install the ms..

 

I heard that piggybackin the MS might cause some problems. It was in a recent article in one of the import magazines...i cant remember which one. Basicaaly, the two were cancelling each other out. I forgot what the solution was though. Kepp us posted on how it turns out after the weekend.