I'd say the sleeves sound like the culprit. I've been told by a few people that a well know machine shop uses a JB Weld type of base (or JB weld period)in their sleeving. They guarentee the sleeves won't leak. I can say I've never had a problem.

If the gasket let loose under pressure, that's why there's coolant in the cylinders, you can also get spillage when removing the head with coolant still in the system.

Yes, that's an OEM gasket with copper spray, that's another contriversial discussion. To spray or not to spray, we'll save that for later, though or I believe that topic was covered in the past!

Good luck with the outcome. I say contact GE about the block; they may have records of when they worked on it and give the full warranty.

Later, Allen

 

well,,the more i think about it.I think he had the same problem boostfed had..the sleeves sunk pulling the cylinder away from the head and gasket thus filling the cylinders and possibly entering the oil passages that lead to and from the head.

 

I was saying that the orange epoxy might have broken so that the coolant seaped past the epoxy into the oil pan. From there it could have seaped past the rings if the entire oil pan was filled with oil/coolant mixture. The engine was ran for all of 20 seconds before I shut it off, it didnt smoke a bit during that time.

The gasket was a OEM gasket with copper spray, I dont use any other headgaskets on honda engines due to past experienices with other brands.

The mixture was spewing out from the back of the block when it was running out. I checked the entire back of the block, there wasnt any visible holes to be seen. You can see its spray pattern on the rear of the block, it was coming directly from the head/block area right where the headgasket was located. This leds me to believe that the headgasket was leaking in that particular location.

The orange epoxy was super hard. I distinctly remember touching it as there was some excess at the bottom of the sleeve where the oil pan is located.

 

I didnt add bar's stop leak to the mixture but I had it sitting there next to the car. My car is located about 10 minutes away from our current shop. My goal was to move the car down to our shop so I could further work on the car and getting it running again. I hadnt even considered that bar's stop leak was needed to correct any potential leaks from the sleeves. I thought that it prevented the sleeves from rusting over time since they are iron. I will take my feeler gauges, micrometer and ruler with me tomorrow and check the clearances on each cylinder sleeve. The sleeves appeared to be still raised above the deck, so I am not sure if they actually sunk or not. Logically it makes sense that they could have sunk due to the coolant being drawn into the cylinder sleeve.

 

I think you shoud try putting on another headgasket and pressure test it before you rip the rest of the block out.

 

Samething happen to my friends sleeved block which was done @ local machine shop. I want to find out also what was the cause of that. Sorry to hear that jeff. I know its a pain in the *** to take the motor out. I been through it with my car and my friends

 

I agree w/ Boostfed... My experience w/ GE blocks has been the same. If you don't use bar's leak, it leaks badly past the sleeve and straight into the oil pan. GE sleeves seem to have the WORST problem w/ leaking coolant past the sleeves. It's funny that you say the Bar's leak is to prevent the rusting. That may be one of the uses, but everyone I know that runs a GE block knows it's mainly used to seal up the sleeves at the bottom.. Good luck.

-Mike

 

would any local auto parts store carry this bar's leak? What is the procedure, just fill in the sleeves and let it go or is it a coolant additive. I'm assuming the one I want is the "block seeler."

I am having very similar problems with a RS Machines block, and I've already had the head pressure tested and tried headgasket replacement multiple times.

 

It's a coolant additive........it specifically states on the container that it is for stopping leaks. My block had that orange epoxy as well, but I remember mine being soft, more like caulk. Very weird indeed....sorry about your loss. Hopefully GE will cover it.

 

Bar's leak is everywhere- just don't get the oil system sealer get the radiator sealer. On second look they make a few things- block sealer, Next Generation stop leak, and Original stop leak. Is block sealer the best thing??

On a related note- JB Weld makes a something called Perma Seal which looks like a winner as well. Maybe start with Bar's and then add in some Perma Seal?
Anyone have any experience with the stuff?
Would it be a good idea to add some high temp epoxy the the water jacket/sleeve junction inside the block? Since the GE blocks have the supports at the top of the sleeve it makes it more difficult to do this from the top with a super high temp epoxy- but I think it could be done with a thin tube and a bulb to control the flow. Does anyone know the temp range that the epoxy has to be good up to- how hot do the bottom of the sleeves get?

Ben


Modified by Bnjmn at 11:46 AM 7/8/2003

 

Just for a little trivia. I pulled the original patent on Bahr's Leak and the stuff is ground up rhizome (a plant tuber root) with oil as a binder. The claim of anti rust additive is IMHO a "marketing" ploy on the miniscule amount of oil that is holding the ground up organic powder together in the little pellets.

BTW I have used it. It packs into those crevices and seals well. Its OEM specified on GM products with a mixture of aluminum and steel in the block/head/intake manifold system. They recommend it be readded with each coolant flush.

 

If you can, please give us a call and speak with ted. Most likely we would like to get the block back here for inspection and fixing, if there is a block problem involved. We will take care of the shipping both ways if the block is stripped and shipped FedEx or UPS ground. I want to get this fixed.


Modified by GoldenEagleMfg.com at 6:53 PM 7/8/2003

 

That's a good start, never used GE and although this was an unexpected headache atleast someone there is willing to help. Most place would send you packing. Keep the board posted with current events.

 

Customer service!

 

GE

 

How much did you end up having the head milled and what was removed from the deck (to make it true)?
You may also want to check your dowel height. You have to remove what was removed off of the head+what was removed from the deck from the dowel height. If it was coming out of the area of the head gasket and you ont have any visible cracks or breaks in the gasket it may have just pushed the HG up or down causing the coolant oil mix.

 

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I was getting ready to post some smack about sinking sleeves and the like(or Viren, though this still may be the case), but atleast this shows they are concerned about the quality of their product.

 

That is great, GEM has always been very good to me with customer service. Very good

 

thats a gracious offer from GE
Thats a shame though Jeff, i wanted to see thatthing running soon .

 

If we can get the block here, we can ship it back within 2 days of recieveing the block is all goes well. I assure you that the block will return 100%.

 

Golden Eagle Customer Services
Boosted Hybrid's Block
Time, money, and energy assembling that block and disassembled it again

For your info. I had the same orange sealers on the bottom of my sleeves. I tried to remove as much of the excess as I can without taking out the portion that is actually sealing the sleeves agains't the block. Just hope you didn't remove that when you tried to clean it up.

 

I just wanted to let you all know that we have made some improvements to the install of the sleeves and that is why I can guarantee that the block we send back to him, or anyone else that get a block from us now, will NEVER have a sleeve issue EVER!!! Ask some of our customers like Import Builders.

 

yup ge deifinitely waranntees there blocks stand up guys... but time effort is the sorry part

 

That is why we make sure every block that leaves here now is the very best!!!!

 

when did u guys starts using ur new method?