Does anyone make lower final drives? Because shifting into 5th in the 1/4 is GAY. I have an LS. I thought about going LS/VTEC to extend the revs but I kinda wanna stay away from that for now.

 

taller tires?

 

taller tires ook retarded on the street, not to mention they rub when lowered

 

If your power isn't dropping off, just get some stiffer valve springs and up the rev limiter to say 7500 RPM or so. You can shift at 7-7.2k down the strip then keep in it until 7500 RPM in 4th. Should make your ET go down a bit eliminating the shift.

Bigger cams to keep the power up in the high rev range would be good, but at that point, you might as well just slap on a B16 head and call it a day for about the same price.

 

There are Final Drive gear sets that are available that do a great job if that is a concern. Look in the road race/ auto X section of H-T.

 

Someone has to make lower final drives. They do for muscle cars.

 

Cause muscle cars have torque...

 

But we got boost

 

LOL, we don't have a 5500 rpm redline either!

 

hehe I know but Tony do you know of anyone who makes lower final drives for Honda's?

 

The last thing an LS needs is longer gears, even if it is boosted. Just rev a bit more in 4th gear. I don't know if some GSR valve springs would work, but those should easily hold 7.5-7.7k RPM, and if you've got a bit turbo I don't think the power will drop off that badly up there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Def &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The last thing an LS needs is longer gears, even if it is boosted. Just rev a bit more in 4th gear. I don't know if some GSR valve springs would work, but those should easily hold 7.5-7.7k RPM, and if you've got a bit turbo I don't think the power will drop off that badly up there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I might as well go vtec if i'm going ot **** with my head. And you cant just rev a stock ls head to 7.6k, it wont make **** for power. You obviouslly dont own a fast street honda or you would realize how beneficial longer gears are. I guess all of those idiots with 3sps running 8's need to switch to a vtec tranny Thank you come again.

 

Gears are torque multiplication, longer gears on a low torque 4 cyl are stupid. You don't see F1 with 3 speeds...

Muckman, i don't know of anyone who makes longer gears for hondas. I'm sure there's a reason.


Modified by tony1 at 4:22 PM 2/12/2005

 

All of the fastest street guys I have seen are running either Type R or B16 trannies. They adjust the gear ratio by the size of their slicks. You don't keep them on on the street, but you don't have to shift 4-5 on the track either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gears are torque multiplication, longer gears on a low torque 4 cyl are stupid. You don't see F1 with 3 speeds...
Modified by tony1 at 4:22 PM 2/12/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

F1's also have very expensive trannies that shift nearly instantly. Poit being a shorter tranny wont decrease my et's really cuz i already spin the gears i have. Not everyone on here is in a full drag car with wheelie bars and 28's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ibiza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All of the fastest street guys I have seen are running either Type R or B16 trannies. They adjust the gear ratio by the size of their slicks. You don't keep them on on the street, but you don't have to shift 4-5 on the track either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ssstttrrrreeeetttt cars, no slicks here.

 

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ssstttrrrreeeetttt cars, no slicks here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're spinning the tires anyway, why wouldn't you get a set of slicks? They've got to be cheaper than a new final drive. Why not lose some time on your 60ft. while solving your 4-5 shift problem.

 

I've dealt with plenty of high hp street cars, lowering the gear ratios is not the way to make them faster. If you have too much power, then work on controlling it better and work on improving traction. If you think gear ratio is the answer, launch in 2nd and shift to 4th...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UberTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I might as well go vtec if i'm going ot **** with my head. And you cant just rev a stock ls head to 7.6k, it wont make **** for power. You obviouslly dont own a fast street honda or you would realize how beneficial longer gears are. I guess all of those idiots with 3sps running 8's need to switch to a vtec tranny Thank you come again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No I don't have a "fast street honda" - thankfully... now that that's out of the way...

I've seen plenty of stock LS heads with big turbos make some decent power above 7k. It will peak before that, but if the HP curve doesn't take a complete nosedive then there isn't anything wrong with revving it out a bit more, especially if you can avoid a shift by doing that. You've obviously been hanging around too many "fast street hondas" or else you would realize that having your HP peak AT REDLINE isn't necessary, or even that fast. It's better to shift a bit past your HP peak, usually 700-1000 RPM depending on your gear spacing.

Besides, I have a turbo car with WAY longer gears than you, and it sucks. I can hit 103mph in 3rd gear at 7500 RPM. Put in some 4.36 gears out back(4.08 is stock), and the car feels worlds better, and my gears are probably still longer than yours.


It's just retarded to take a SLOW car(if you're going to bring up cars in the 8s, then yes, your car is *** slow compared to them and what they run doesn't apply to you) and make it slower through 95% of the quarter mile just to save a shift at the end. What does that get you?

The easiest way to solve this problem is to get a set of slicks that are larger than your tire diameter now so you can avoid the shift into 5th. It'll be just like a final drive change, but cheaper, and it'll help your short times since you've got such a "fast wrong wheel drive" car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ibiza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you're spinning the tires anyway, why wouldn't you get a set of slicks? They've got to be cheaper than a new final drive. Why not lose some time on your 60ft. while solving your 4-5 shift problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lowering our gear ratio doesnt hurt your 60ft because I will still be able to spin the tires. I run on street tires.

 

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Changing the final drive doesnt affect how much your rpm's fall when you shift. I think I caught the sarcasm tho

Lowering the gear ratio is a good way of controlling the power. I'm not talking anything super low, just a little lower. Kinda like when you run your big slicks on your tranny. EXACT same effect, just no slicks. So why arent you running 12" slicks? Since shifting every second is cool?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Def &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No I don't have a "fast street honda" - thankfully... now that that's out of the way...

I've seen plenty of stock LS heads with big turbos make some decent power above 7k. It will peak before that, but if the HP curve doesn't take a complete nosedive then there isn't anything wrong with revving it out a bit more, especially if you can avoid a shift by doing that. You've obviously been hanging around too many "fast street hondas" or else you would realize that having your HP peak AT REDLINE isn't necessary, or even that fast. It's better to shift a bit past your HP peak, usually 700-1000 RPM depending on your gear spacing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well my peak power is at 6300 and falls off real hard. No way I would make any power past 7k, i can post my dyno if you dont believe me.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's just retarded to take a SLOW car(if you're going to bring up cars in the 8s, then yes, your car is *** slow compared to them and what they run doesn't apply to you) and make it slower through 95% of the quarter mile just to save a shift at the end. What does that get you? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I can spin 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd. I think those gears account for more than 5% of the 1/4.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The easiest way to solve this problem is to get a set of slicks that are larger than your tire diameter now so you can avoid the shift into 5th. It'll be just like a final drive change, but cheaper, and it'll help your short times since you've got such a "fast wrong wheel drive" car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What is so different about me getting larger slicks and lowering my diff? The end result in the same. Lowering the gear ratio should help my 60ft out too.

 

Are you using a puck clutch?

 

yes, 6 puck

 

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What is so different about me getting larger slicks and lowering my diff? The end result in the same. Lowering the gear ratio should help my 60ft out too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess you can do it however you want. The net result for your 4-5 shift will be the same, but it just seems to me to be more logical to put the money into the slicks where you will see a much greater benefit on your launch as well. A lower gear ratio could never give you the same result that the slicks will for your launch and 60 foot times.

Unless you're married to your street tires for some reason, I don't see why you wouldn't want to run slicks.