Lean under load
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Lean under load
I am having alot of trouble getting the car get to target a/f above columns 8, however i can tune for 14.7 for part throttle with no problems.
No matter how much fuel i add it wont richen up in columns 8 on into boost columns. I also added a inline pump and set base pressure at 70psi. Still wont get down to 11.8 in the boost columns. I got to the point where i went to an extreme and just added 100% fuel and still just spikes 14+ a/f under load, sometime even 17's.I have an intank pump feeding an inline and 1000cc injectors. Base pressure is around 70 psi.
I also tried cleared security, tried a friends k-pro, put new plugs, took apart my FPR, injectors, and fuel filter and still the problem consists.
Map sensor is AEM 3.5 bar
Could it be my PC or k manager being currupt b/c it just doesnt want to do anything when it goes into boost.l
No matter how much fuel i add it wont richen up in columns 8 on into boost columns. I also added a inline pump and set base pressure at 70psi. Still wont get down to 11.8 in the boost columns. I got to the point where i went to an extreme and just added 100% fuel and still just spikes 14+ a/f under load, sometime even 17's.I have an intank pump feeding an inline and 1000cc injectors. Base pressure is around 70 psi.
I also tried cleared security, tried a friends k-pro, put new plugs, took apart my FPR, injectors, and fuel filter and still the problem consists.
Map sensor is AEM 3.5 bar
Could it be my PC or k manager being currupt b/c it just doesnt want to do anything when it goes into boost.l
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Re: Lean under load
you need to watch your fuel pressure as you go into boost. Sounds like you either have a pump issue, or your not getting good boost signal to your FPR. .
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Re: Lean under load
Ahh, thats a good point I didn't think of that... Had a customer the other day with a JRSC'd K that was "tuning" his own car with the internal wideband.. ended up being about 15:1 everything above 6K under boost luckily we caught it while doing some general maintenance for him and convinced him to let us tune it lol..
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No sir.
I am going to run a line inside the car so i can check it.
I been cought up in the fire academy so the little time i have off i work on my car
Yes i am using the factory wideband
I am going to run a line inside the car so i can check it.
I been cought up in the fire academy so the little time i have off i work on my car
Yes i am using the factory wideband
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Put another wideband in it.
Trust me.
I had a customer two weeks ago that I myself made the mistake of trusting the OEM wideband. The sensor kept reading leaner and leaner, regardless of the stupid amount of fuel I was adding.
Slapped another wideband in it, and it was actually VERY rich.
- Derek
Trust me.
I had a customer two weeks ago that I myself made the mistake of trusting the OEM wideband. The sensor kept reading leaner and leaner, regardless of the stupid amount of fuel I was adding.
Slapped another wideband in it, and it was actually VERY rich.
- Derek
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Re: Lean under load
So...the car in question is the EG in your sig?
AFAIK, the only pre-01 Honda Civics that had a factory WIDEband were the VX/HX models. Everything else uses a narrowband. If you look at a narrowband voltage chart, its so UN-linear that its almost impossible to read anything besides 14.7, very rich, or very lean. It was only intended to target 14.7, never a wide range - hence the name.
Considering an LC-1 is all of $150 from most venders, and most tuning software works great with it, I don't see why the average turbo kit, which costs $2000, should go without one. That's just 7.5% more you're spending.
AFAIK, the only pre-01 Honda Civics that had a factory WIDEband were the VX/HX models. Everything else uses a narrowband. If you look at a narrowband voltage chart, its so UN-linear that its almost impossible to read anything besides 14.7, very rich, or very lean. It was only intended to target 14.7, never a wide range - hence the name.
Considering an LC-1 is all of $150 from most venders, and most tuning software works great with it, I don't see why the average turbo kit, which costs $2000, should go without one. That's just 7.5% more you're spending.
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Re: Lean under load
Put another wideband in it.
Trust me.
I had a customer two weeks ago that I myself made the mistake of trusting the OEM wideband. The sensor kept reading leaner and leaner, regardless of the stupid amount of fuel I was adding.
Slapped another wideband in it, and it was actually VERY rich.
- Derek
Trust me.
I had a customer two weeks ago that I myself made the mistake of trusting the OEM wideband. The sensor kept reading leaner and leaner, regardless of the stupid amount of fuel I was adding.
Slapped another wideband in it, and it was actually VERY rich.
- Derek
So...the car in question is the EG in your sig?
AFAIK, the only pre-01 Honda Civics that had a factory WIDEband were the VX/HX models. Everything else uses a narrowband. If you look at a narrowband voltage chart, its so UN-linear that its almost impossible to read anything besides 14.7, very rich, or very lean. It was only intended to target 14.7, never a wide range - hence the name.
Considering an LC-1 is all of $150 from most venders, and most tuning software works great with it, I don't see why the average turbo kit, which costs $2000, should go without one. That's just 7.5% more you're spending.
AFAIK, the only pre-01 Honda Civics that had a factory WIDEband were the VX/HX models. Everything else uses a narrowband. If you look at a narrowband voltage chart, its so UN-linear that its almost impossible to read anything besides 14.7, very rich, or very lean. It was only intended to target 14.7, never a wide range - hence the name.
Considering an LC-1 is all of $150 from most venders, and most tuning software works great with it, I don't see why the average turbo kit, which costs $2000, should go without one. That's just 7.5% more you're spending.
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well i put in a buddys wideband and solved the problem, lol. I guess when i had ordered the wideband from acura i recieved the wrong one.
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
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well i put in a buddys wideband and solved the problem, lol. I guess when i had ordered the wideband from acura i recieved the wrong one.
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
- Derek
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Still should check your fuel pressure as dave stated. High power cars always benifit from larger fuel pump wiring and a standalone relay if you indeed have an electrical issue.
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Re: Lean under load
well i put in a buddys wideband and solved the problem, lol. I guess when i had ordered the wideband from acura i recieved the wrong one.
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
I did a couple datalogs and the battery voltage is real choppy and drops up top and starts to misfire.
I have an odyssey battery in it and i believe my alt. is good.
If any one wants to check out a datalog i would be happy to send it. thank you
most likely its your alternator
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