DC5Danny

No If's, and's or but's

Dunc

So you're saying that a K-series that blows up is better than a B? I must be missing the logic here. Typically I like to keep my motor in one piece. Working motor>blown motor.

DC5Danny

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AF-P Dunc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you're saying that a K-series that blows up is better than a B? I must be missing the logic here. Typically I like to keep my motor in one piece. Working motor&gt;blown motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The point i was making is that k series can withstand so much more abuse than b series. It blew at 41psi lol and it was a STOCK K20a2. It was making 588whp at 3X psi, and was tracked numerous times. Can you do that with a B? Only answer would be NO.

GeeGee

ok..here we go again, where's my stick? i want to poke at the dead horse too.

Dunc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC4Dan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Can you do that with a B? Only answer would be NO.
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Actually the answer is not no.... this is your answer: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1478127

haha, I'm not trying be an ***....just having a friendly argument hehe. But I do agree, I'd like to have a K-series.

B18C, LS/VTEC:
1. crx=si 605hp, 364tq stock B18C1 TO4R at 26psi Crome-pro with traktek 110
2. stOOpid tuned 523whp on 22psi and a 50 on C16. All stock B18C1 (11.00 @ 133)
3. C squared motorsports 518whp 324tq 20lbs on C16 and PT67
4. fuccarlos 508whp 361tq @17psi on c-16 (10.40@136 1.5 60')
5. marco B18C1/B16 head 480whp @ 23/24 psi on C16 tuned by jason hunt
6. GodFather of Boost 470 on c16 @20-21
7. ngogsr 462.52 fwhp 320.87 tq 23psi c 16
8. cyph3r 454whp 317tq sc61
9. carchitect 424whp 271tq Stock B18C5. Precision SC63
10. philipwight 400whp 260tq on stock gsr on pump gas (11.3@131)

B16:
1. Randys 630whp and 390tq on 118. (10.97@131)
2. redline130 393 whp 261 ftlbs, C16 (11.65 @ 125mph)
3. marques4130 350 whp sunoco 112 best (11.8 @ 119 @ 4200 ft)
4. 98gsrTEG 344whp@1 bar on pump gas
5. Black SI 344whp on a stock b16 @14psi
6. 99B16Si 333whp/221wtq SAE at 13psi SC61
7. integlspwr2k 330whp on a stock head stock block
8. Bryson 329whp 210tq 13psi SC61 on 91
9. G"UNIT 329whp 207tq @12psi on a sc61 on 93 octane
10. s2kkk (Jeff Evans tuned) 325whp/215tq

K series:
1. Sir2egk 646.90whp / 522.40tq @ 7600rpm GT35R K24 block/stock K20A2 head (11.2 @ 125)
2. dc5_rsx 560 whp/392 Tq
3. Stoopid tuned 515whp bone stock K20A2
4. Jeff Evans tuned k24a 15psi-440whp/300tq
5. DDD 409.38whp 294.76 tq @ 11-12psi 94
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DC5Danny

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LoL. I've taken after siriu's trademark "b&gt;k" in every damn k series thread. I just live annoying the B series fanboys that plague this site.

Dunc

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Which stick would you like haha?

Stick #1:


Stick #2:

HiProfile

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The point i was making is that k series can withstand so much more abuse than b series. It blew at 41psi lol and it was a STOCK K20a2. It was making 588whp at 3X psi, and was tracked numerous times. Can you do that with a B? Only answer would be NO.

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What about the 600whp+ B16, stock bottom, tracked ...before and after the obliterated ringlands? Maybe I am missing something.

integranator

iTrader: (2)

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I just love annoying the B series fanboys that plague this site. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm going to admit it, you do annoy me. Not so much the K&gt;B (cas' I' don't give a ****)

But because this post is useless, therefore-- annoying.

ragethemachine86

all of you grow the expletive up.

DC5Danny

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Okay?

turbotime

nice vid hahah sucks for whoever dumped all that cash into the hatch.

cause it just went from hero to ZERO.

[wahh wahh wahh]

Lonnieboosted

Look at those douche bags, " You need to go buy a K series" "K series all the way", so we can run 41 psi of boost on it and prove not a single point wooo weeee.

95dc2teg

If it wasn't for the B series there wouldnt be a K.

quicksilver1689

Yeah b series is the founding father.

not2slo128

k&gt;b

I agree. Afterall it's newer. Why would Honda go through the trouble of designing something if it's not going to be better. The K series has more tq and has the ability to spool a turbo faster.

The problem with this thread is that "&gt;" is not defined.

does &gt; mean more powerful , stronger, easier to work on, better parts availability?

"better" is a subjective term. A cost is no object enthusiast might say better means more powerful, in which case a stock K series is more powerful than any stock B (considering HP and TQ).

A boosted K should theoretically be able to handle more power as well. In this example, it doesn't (5XX hp vs. 6XX hp).

But you guys who say it's not better should think about TQ and area under the curve. Peak power... it's only one attribute of a fast car.

In conclusion, while B series has been tried and tested for many years, and edges the K in parts availability and experience as well as price, the K is a better designed (more powerful, stronger) engine.

Otherwise why didn't Honda just stick a bigger B series on an RSX and call it a day?

On a side note, for a person who is at the strip / road course romping on his car daily, the B would probably be a "better" (&gt , cheaper alternative since they will be rebuilding regularly.

Ever see an RSX with a B series swap? I wonder why?

I like the K.

95dc2teg

the b18 swap in a DC5 would be like a b16 swap in a DC2, haha

.nate

Where's the tech? This (pointless IMO) thread should be in GDD not the FI forum.

beaver

uglyasscivic

Top 5 SFWD cars in the country ALL B's. Thats my tech info. LOL

MatKeller(Mat) / 93 Civic / VA / 9.47@157 SFWD
tony1 (Tony) / 00 Integra / Texas / 9.54 @156 SFWD
Zubaltec(John) / 92 Civic / Flordia / 9.61@157 SFWD
uglyasscivic(Cortney)/ 93 Civic / Utah / 9.665@152 SFWD
Jpenman50(Jasen) / 93 Delsol / Utah / 9.699@154 SFWD

tegasaurus

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No If's, and's or but's

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LOL @ the nerd screaming "for the win, FOR THE WIN!" that would be like saying Laughing out loud... hahaha oh man. that gave me a good laugh for the day.

af-performance

Imma have to agree.

K-Series is definatly the new motor of choice no matter how you look at it. However, Id take a running b-series over a missing 3rd cylinder rod k-series anyday.

Blowing a motor doesn't prove much. If it made that power and dindt break, something totally different.

SovXietday

D &gt; All

^ This post has as much relevance to tech as the OPs, therefore I feel that it fits well and is completely true.

RyanEJ8

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LoL. I've taken after siriu's trademark "b&gt;k" in every damn k series thread. I just live annoying the B series fanboys that plague this site. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I love annoying both the B and K Series fanboys that plague this site.

B.

YAWN!!!!!!