Are these good for high boost applications?

Anybody have one?

Just trying to get a general rundown.

 

you should list whats in it and the specs. im pretty sure u could get it cheaper...just a thought. just post up the specs and ppl will leave some input.

 

this is the regular block...

3,000 Shipped..for the h22.

IB Spec Wiseco Pistons
Eagle Rods or Probe Rods
Hot tank, Deck (if nec)
Balanced Crank
Polished Crank
All new Bearings & Thrusts
All new seals, and Oil pan Gasket
New VTEC oil pump
New VTEC water pump
LS/VTEC Oil line Kit with all fittings
Compressions come in 9.5:1, 11.1:1


Now you add $1780 to get it iron sleeved and and make it an Annihilator:


Race Coated IB Spec pistons. Not just a top ceramic coating...no
way! This is the REAL DEAL. Just like TOP FUEL does to their
pistons, from the same people! This block can take the heat
folks. Let there be no doubt.
Eagle Rods or Probe Rods with upgraded ARP bolts
A new sleeving process featuring a closed deck that is vented.
This is the ultimate in block strength. Go ahead! Turn up the
BOOST!


That's about all I can find...I've heard it's a realy good boost build though.

Thoughts?


[Modified by hot_EG, 7:33 PM 1/11/2003]

 

Does that $4700 include the block also?

 

yes.

 

IB Spec Wiseco Pistons-400
Eagle Rods or Probe Rods-350
Hot tank, Deck (if nec) -60
Balanced Crank -50
Polished Crank -30
All new Bearings & Thrusts -180
All new seals, and Oil pan Gasket -maybe 75
New VTEC oil pump -120
New VTEC water pump -70
LS/VTEC Oil line Kit with all fittings -100 (why do u need this for a h22?)
Compressions come in 9.5:1, 11.1:1

Race Coating-guessing $125
sleeving-$750-1000

I've never priced a h22 block and crank but the labor seem awful high. I would check with a few other good engine builders first.

 

Lol,

I think they just list a basic list that will apply to all their 'basic' blocks.

Problem is...I don't have anywhere else to check.

I don't want to go to a local shop because of trust issues.

Aside from the price, how is eveything itself in terms of a boost block?

 

The setup sounds good just like everyone sleeved FI setup. I would search around on this board before you get a block built. I would suggest getting pricing from a few people. Check with Earl, Tony (@Jotech), and RS Machine just to name a few.

 

doesnt sound like such a great price for nearly 5 gs for a h22 block.
you figure :

350 for eagle rods
500 for pistons, je/arias/wiseco/ross
that plus block is what they charge about 3k for?! oh ya forgot the gaskets/pumps/ assembly...big whoop.

so add sleeves then. roughly 750 to 800
plus boring to size 100.

sounds like someone is makin a lot of profit.?

what city in tx are ya in, i know someone who can help ya out.

 

I'm in Dallas.

Last I checked at Jotech, their blocks were right around 5K too.

 

If i were you i would check with Viren and Tony. both excellent Just tell them what you want and see what they say. dont take peoples word, this is your block make sure you check everything out.

 

I am assuming this is for the short block only? Nothing is mentioned about the head.
What do Prelude short and long block cores cost?

 

You're awfully optimistic on a lot of that pricing. Most places charge $150-200 to balance a rotating assembly. I paid $140 for my engine gasket kit from Naples Acura (who was cheaper than anyone at the time). $400 for forged pistons and rings...no way.

It's an expensive block no doubt though...

Sonny

 

350 for eagle rods
500 for pistons, je/arias/wiseco/ross
that plus block is what they charge about 3k for?! oh ya forgot the gaskets/pumps/ assembly...big whoop.

so add sleeves then. roughly 750 to 800
plus boring to size 100.

sounds like someone is makin a lot of profit.?

There are alot of little things that add up you don't always think about.

Remember "Import builders" are a company, and companys do make money.
And as for sleeving, By the time you strip a block down, clean it , send it to Cali , get it sleeved, get it back you may have more than $750-$800 in it.

Not trying to start something, but you are paying for knowledge as well as the parts and labor

 

of course thre are other misc. items that go into a block. i am not knocking IB. i just think a block as such can be built for him locally for less than that price. he is afterall a texan

 

Most places charge $150-200 to balance a rotating assembly. I paid $140 for my engine gasket kit from Naples Acura (who was cheaper than anyone at the time). $400 for forged pistons and rings...no way.

I paid $120 to get my bottom end balanced including the clutch and everything. All he said was the crank. Did your $140 gasket kit include a head gasket? There is always somewhere I can get forged pistons and rings for around 399. I know IB builds some nice stuff but they are making a killing here. But I'm sure they are staying busy.

 

contact b18bturbo on here (viren) he can get do a fully built shortblock at a killer price

 

Let get to the point here. The reson its high priced is cause your paying someone else o do all the work. Yeah there price is high. But running around and getting all them parts together, all the shiping cost and stuff like that does add up. I just built a b20/gsr sleeved motor and I charged the guy 2 grand for the total build up and the install, this is minus parts. and after all the work i feel as if i got riped. There just so much time that goes into it all. Some people would just rather by a motor thats ready to go and not have to worry about anything. heres what i built.

Head:
98 GSR
Complete port and polish by JG
Crower retainers
Crower valve springs
Ferra oversized valves
JG intake
JG Throttle body
JG cams
JG light speed cam gears
Cometic head gasket
AEM fuel rail
Taylor Plug wires
DSM 450cc injectors
B&M fuel pressure regulator

Block:
B20
Golden Eagle sleeves with o-rings
84.5 mm Bore
Endyn Rollerwave Turbo Pistons 9:1
Crower rods
ACL Complete bearing set
Gsr water pump
Gsr oil pump
Unorthodox under drive pulley

Transmission:
GSR tranny
Quaife ATB LSD ( I installed)
Honda saver Stage 3 custom clutch
JUN flywheel

Engine management:
Hondata 3b with dataloging
Skunk2 obd2-obd1 conversion harness

pluss the install of 6 gauges

Would I do this build up again for someone else. Only if it was on my time frame. See this guy wants the motor in and running asap so he can break it in and order the turbo stuff. This is a major pain in the *** for me. Heres why, first the sleeves were crooked when we got the block- had to send that off. Then i put in the lsd and come to find out that the tranny we got of the net from a guy that works at honda and rebuilt it had part of the internal linkage bent just slightly and i had to pull the tranny out again. Finall the the valves on the jg head we got had bad seats (not bent valves, bad seat). so i had to pull the head again. When you add all this time up I got over man I dunno 50pluss hours into this. Its just getting out of hand. SOrry about the super rant but you guys are good for listening. Im debating rasing the price to at least $2500 to $3000 for labor. Yeah its not the guys fauld the head was bad and the tranny was bad. But i still had to pull them out. Yeah if i had taken the head to get fully leak tested it would have revieled the problem, but the tranny there was no hope there. Tell me what you think i should do here. should i rase the price.

 

That was a lot fo work. Did you send teh head to JG or did the customer?If you sent the head off then you cannot figure that in. For that price did you also pull out the old motor and install the new one? Did the $2k also include the machine work?

 

we got the head from jg, and yes i pulled the old motor and installed the new one. This also included totally going through the block and sizing all the bearings to make sure they were the right size and all.. BUt the thing with the head is that i had to install it and pull it due to the shitty work and the valve seates being all ate up. Once again time out of my pocket just like the tranny

 

Sounds like you should have charged more IMO.....
You also ran into a bunch of extra troubles, which aren't the customers fault, but that's the way things are.....I'd have charged $3000 at least, if the person didn't want to pay that they can go somewhere else, it sounds like you put the effort and caring into your work that would justify the cost.... labor on just a clutch job and quaife install should be like $1000, and another $300 for putting the head/block together, then another $800 to swap motors.....
Did the head come from JG with all those problems?
Brian

 

Yes, exactly.

I've go now clue how to build it...I could certainly get all the parts cheaper, and save on insane labor charges, but I don't know how to assemble it myself.

I also like the IB lays it all out, and takes all the guess work away from me...that way I know it'll be a good build.

In the past I've had guys tell me they can do me a solid build for cheap, just tell them what I want in it...well, that's the thing....

I don't know what SHOULD be in it, or how it should be done.

So people like me have to rely on stuff like IB

If anyone can do a comparable build, send me an IM.

 

the head and block were owned by and older guy who ran the motor 3 times while he owned it. Mind you that was up pikespeak running on methanol (spelling). Yeah im gonna rasie the price a bit. I mean if i take my computer somewhere and they run into problems with parts i suplied then there gonna chargfe me more right. Let alone the honda place they charge sup money for tranny work and things. Ah i just have more time into this than it has been worth

 

If you weren't supplying the parts that were wrong you should have called the customer and let him know how much you needed to fix it. If you supplied the parts then its a different story.

 

yeah he suplied the parts and i ljust kinda fixed it cause it was in my garage. Damn im dumb , time to jack the price a tad. to cover for my extra hours