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Hey, your username is familiar. Didn't I do this in one of your threads when you bashed uberdata?

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yes, we can handle uberdata.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Uberdata is buggy compared to Hondata. Missing alot of options too...and it can't even compare to the new K-Pro Software.

 

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Hey, your username is familiar. Didn't I do this in one of your threads when you bashed uberdata?

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if a customer has all the software/hardware then there's no problem in tuning any car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espanol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if a customer has all the software/hardware then there's no problem in tuning any car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, not you.. B18bEK.

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Examples?

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Examples?

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Seriously? Damn, then I'm gonna switch to K-Pro, my OBD I setup will love it. You may as well compare K-Pro to a calculator.

 

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Hey, your username is familiar. Didn't I do this in one of your threads when you bashed uberdata?


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prolly. you're in every uberdata thread worshiping them .. kinda remind me of the unofficial wendy's guy

 

True.. Lots tend to say ****. but yet, like MadCow say. GOT EXAMPLES?? Of these "known bugs" or "error"?

THe saying goes, "you get what you pay for". BULLSH!T. Why the hell in the world do people call "Great Deals" or "Lucky Find"...

Other then that, seem to me as those who used Uber and ran Uber. Had GREAT results from it! including myself. Just time to start Tuning, and we see wassup.

Those who tend to bash and crap on products or specific things, tend to lack knowledge of what they are referring to. AM I NOT RIGHT?

ASK ANY TUNER! For the money, of course they will. Why not? (truthfully speaking) **** i would...

 

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Examples?
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Can Uberdata datalog Knock? How about datalogging injector dutycycle & Injector Duration? How about datalogging intake air temperature and water temperature? Can uberdata dissable the vtec pressure sensor? How about map resolution w/ 3-bar? Hondata has 7 boost tuning points, uberdata has 4.. How about lambda map tracing? What about Autotune? Does the Uberdata Injector Multiplier compensate for increased injector dead time w/ large injectors like 1000cc? Can you adjust the throttle enrichment w/ uberdata? what about cold start fuel enrichment? Does it have an AC cut off? Is ubderdata tunable to 11k rpm? Can you dissable the ELD that causes problems on obd2-obd1 converted cars? Can you adjust the Idle Air Control Injector duty cycle? Does uberdata have a shift light? One that can be adjusted with a push button by the driver? I mean, if you're having someone else tune it, I would think you'd wanna be able to control your own shift light w/ out taking that to the tuner. How about a clutch activated rev-limit? How about full-throttle shift that automatically drops the rpm's when the clutch is engaged so that you don't overrev? How about nitrous control/2stage boost control? How about a SOFT boost cut? Ever hit boost cut w/ uberdata? yeh it's ruff as ****. How about available quality base maps? Im talking about quality maps tuned by proffessionals. How about tuning support in every city across the country? I would think if your paying a tuner to tune your car, you would want the security that you could move anywhere in the country and have your car re-tuned when you get there. we're not too educated on uberdata, and since you have elected yourself the unofficial uberdata spokesperson, how about you educate us on all the options that uberdata has... thank you

 

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Can Uberdata datalog Knock? How about datalogging injector dutycycle & Injector Duration? How about datalogging intake air temperature and water temperature? Can uberdata dissable the vtec pressure sensor? How about map resolution w/ 3-bar? Hondata has 7 boost tuning points, uberdata has 4.. How about lambda map tracing? What about Autotune? Does the Uberdata Injector Multiplier compensate for increased injector dead time w/ large injectors like 1000cc? Can you adjust the throttle enrichment w/ uberdata? what about cold start fuel enrichment? Does it have an AC cut off? Is ubderdata tunable to 11k rpm? Can you dissable the ELD that causes problems on obd2-obd1 converted cars? Can you adjust the Idle Air Control Injector duty cycle? Does uberdata have a shift light? One that can be adjusted with a push button by the driver? I mean, if you're having someone else tune it, I would think you'd wanna be able to control your own shift light w/ out taking that to the tuner. How about a clutch activated rev-limit? How about full-throttle shift that automatically drops the rpm's when the clutch is engaged so that you don't overrev? How about nitrous control/2stage boost control? How about a SOFT boost cut? Ever hit boost cut w/ uberdata? yeh it's ruff as ****. How about available quality base maps? Im talking about quality maps tuned by proffessionals. How about tuning support in every city across the country? I would think if your paying a tuner to tune your car, you would want the security that you could move anywhere in the country and have your car re-tuned when you get there. we're not too educated on uberdata, and since you have elected yourself the unofficial uberdata spokesperson, how about you educate us on all the options that uberdata has... thank you</TD></TR></TABLE>

owned

 

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fo shizzle

 

ouch... set him straight!

 

Haha, let us assess the differences.

-No.

-***EDIT - Duty Cycle, yes. Duration, No.

-Yes, yes.

-Yes.

-Map Scalar.

-Yeah, actually... I haven't seen Hondata's map trace, but uberdata's is supposed to be superior. Again, I have no knowledge on it, it's just whats been said to me.


What about it? It's useless, anyone with lambda trace and 6th grade math experience can do it quicker and better.

-Nope.

-Yep.

-Yep.

-Nope.

-Not sure, actually. Haven't played with RPM scalars, but it goes to at least 9k. ***EDIT - Yeah, it will tune to 11 also.

-Yes.

-No. ***EDIT - Yes.

Yes, it's adjustable per gear.

-No.

-Yes.

-Yes.

-Nitrous script was worked on a while ago, not sure if I ever saw the final version.

-Yeah it is.

-Yep, there's a fair amount, I see more and more every day. Talk to beerbongskickass about his basemap, he'll tell you how many people use it with success and make great power.

-No, thank you. It's nice to finally have someone against uberdata.. someone with experience. I think you're the first. Bottom line is this, I don't really care if anyone bashes uberdata or not because everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I do, however, have a problem with inexperienced people bashing it. As we can see, Hondata does have a few more options, if those options are worth the money to you then obviously hondata is the better choice.

Here's a price breakdown for hondata with the options you've listed (To the best of my knowledge, according to their website. Correct me if I'm wrong.):
S200 - 295
Boost - 200
Datalogging - 200
Rom Editor - 200
Programmer - 180
Tuning - $400 at a local shop, if you buy the unit there... if not, it's more.

Total: $1475 (Again, correct if there's something in there that's not needed)

Uberdata breakdown:
Software - Free
Datalogging - Requires cable, $9.97 at Radio Shack.
Programmer - Various, most popular is the moates unit at $85.
Tuning - Wideband required to tune yourself. Got my PLX for $275. Lets assume another 2 hours to tune ignition on the dyno, that's $225 at the same local shop. (Boosted Hybrid is charging $4-500 for uberdata tuning, but we won't count that because boosted-hybrid isn't exactly available everywhere.)

Total: $594.97

So, you're talking about $880.03 difference and a few hours of your time doing the tuning if you go with uberdata. With that said, it really depends on what kind of budget you're working with and wether or not the extra features are worth $880.03 to you.

To me, they're not... Do you think they are?

hahaha


Modified by Mad Cow at 2:07 PM 6/28/2004

 

good post

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To me, they're not... Do you think they are?

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Not for everyone, depends on the set up, the goals, and the person.. To me it's worth it.

btw, I am not against uberdata, I actually think its a kick *** set up for the DIY. What I am against is the consumer who wants something for free. If you take the time to learn how to tune, spend the time researching the product, and you save money w/ uberdata, more power to you!

 

Via piezoelectric KS? Useless. Even Doug at Hyundaidata will tell you so. He's a big fan of audio monitoring the KS when tuning, as the human ear can do a far better job than expensive electronics and a couple hundred man hours in programming halfassed DSP algorythms.

Recoding the MCU on the knock board to perform ION Sense function would be much more rewarding.

Chris is mistaken, you can get injector duty from UD.

RPM scalar is adjustable, yes.

Chris was mistaken, yes you can. That was one of the last things I beta'd for B, back in version 1.2

UD nitrous script is still unfinished, but I've run a couple of different PGMFI member's nitrous code with success. As far as 2 stage boost control... Blake's had AC button activated 2 stage gear based boost control coded for a while, the PWM is just off.

PFFT. There is a boost cut, thanks to Gimpy, but it is implemented like a fuel cut like all other factory turbo cars use. As long as you don't toggle it on and off to create a lean condition that lasts for any duration, a no fuel situation does not hurt an engine.

Quality and basemap are mutually exclusive terms, buddy.

How about I link you to a half dozen of my favorite threads with self-appointed proffessionals [sic] where I inform them of things they don't understand about Hyundaidata? Or do the ones where I chew on them about criticizing UD with no understanding interest you more?

Hondata is 99% the OEM Honda code, and UD is 99% the OEM Honda code, but strangely enough despite these massive differences between the two their tuner applications are THE SAME GODDAMN THING. The differences are minor, and you can't get away from any Honda tuner app looking like a Winamp re-skin of another Honda tuner app.

But anyway, I don't think you could go anywhere in the country and get a quality retune on your Hondata... what was your point?

I thought I was the unofficial UD spokesman? Or maybe there are somehwere around twenty-seven of us? HEY, instead of asking all the n00b questions and expecting your hand held like a little kid you could use the Search function, or check out the frequently posted Uberdata homepage where you would find the Uberdata FAQ and the Uberdata Forum, which nicely enough also has a Search function!

I know you've gotten where you are today by having ppl spoon feed you everything you needed to know about the products you needed to buy, and the whole concept of DIY and self-education that Uberdata is based on seems a bit alien to you... maybe even un-American... but you really need to learn to respect ppl who do things differently than you do instead of phrasing these long, highly incorrect, ill-informed "call outs"

You're intellectually broke, buddy, you couldn't own a second grader with your level of understanding.

 

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OK, allow me to apologise for my rude comments, I didn't see this until after my post. I think we both know you are a consumer but you have a good attitude and your head out of your ***.

The consumers who want something for free never get anywhere.

 

Oh, yeah, injector dead time and 1000cc injectors... Hyundaidata does this? That is a waste of time as things currently stand. High Z injector drivers running low Z injectors with the majority of the current and much of the needed voltage dropped across a resistor box doesn't lead to precise injector control. The nature of the injector pulse is different from what the recipient injector was designed for.

 

Hey, going back and reading page one is interesting! Now I wish I hadn't been linked directly to page two!

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I can name any of a half dozen minor bugs UD has, yes. OBD1 Hondata is a few years older, has more programmers working on it, and a larger body of feedback, and the consensus on it is... it has bugs, too! Hell, dog, pgmfi.org has found bugs in the stock Honda code. This is significant! Of what is the question?


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But as for finding an authorized hondata tuner to tune uberdata...I've tried to find them in my area, and have had no luck. I've asked Jotech, Intercrew, ProTech, AutoLogic, and Alamo Motorsports. And I am pretty sure Mase wouldn't touch it either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mase has my temperment, but he's not an asshat. I can assure you that Mase would tune Uberdata if that was what you brought him, I have had this exact discussion with him in the past. Mase would nail a 12:1 AFR on a turbocharged can opener if that was what your brought him.

It's nice to note that the other pgmfi.org derived OBD1 tuner app, Crome, is authored by a Hondata dealer. The EFI politics get a little wacky, and tuning Hondata + refusing to tune UD is more a sign of a shop that wants to make a few extra dollars off selling you the Hondata... given what a shop costs to operate, it's an understandable stance. UD is meant for the DIYer, but you can find a tuner if you want one.

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I thought you learned not to participate in UD threads, Transvestike?

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Well, you have been proven wrong on the first two statements, but I agree... you can't even compare OBD1 software to OBD2 K-series oriented software. The words "electrically incompatible" pop to mind.

 

Hondata knock sensor works. Use all the math and theory you want to say it doesn't, but i won't here it. Ive seen it work many times. Most recent instance was tuning a JDM B18c up to 11psi. We began to pick up knock @ 22deg, backing the timing down to 20 deg. eliminated all knock. It worked for us here and many other times tuning B18c's. It always picks up knock right where you would expect it too.

lol. very true. The term base map is a funny one anyways. Im talking about "other peoples well tuned maps to start w/ on your set up." There's a ton more of those going around w/ hondata then w/ uberdata don't you agree? 75% of the hondata cars in dallas are running off of a few sets of tunes that Tony1 did back @ jotech! The idea of a "quality base map" came from being originally tuned by someone professional like Tony1, and then thrown into someones car who has a similar set up as something to start with.

Chances are, you are way more likely to find someone tuning hondata then someone tuning uberdata. Again, this only applys to someone who doesn't want to learn the **** themselves. If you tune your own car its not an issue. Granted any shop that can tune hondata should be able to tune uberdata, cause like you said, they are the same thing. Now if you're a hondata dealer, don't you think the smart thing for business is to turn down uberdata tuning? I mean, when all your customers learn what they can have for free, no ones going to buy the hondata's anymore.

haha, you obviously don't know me nor have you paid attention to my posts over the last couple of years. Or maybe you just said all of that out of anger, I am not sure. Anyways, the point of my post was to see if MadCow even knew what he was talkin about. Up to this point, I thought he was just some crazy uberdata supporter because it cheaper, and by answering my "newbish" "call-out" style paragraph of questions, he proved to me that he actually knows whats up.

Yeh, I don't run uberdata but Im not against it either. I had Hondata before Uberdata even came out. For some odd reason I feel a little bit loyal to hondata. Afterall, they did pop my cherry when it came to tuning. Hell, Blake even tried to give me a free copy of his program when he was selling it for $100. I looked at it, and at that time, I didn't feel comfortable trying it. My hondata was proven already and I liked it. I think that is how most people feel about their hondata's. They are comfortable with it, and they are secure, and for some that is worth the extra money.




Modified by DIRep972 at 1:06 PM 6/28/2004

 

DIRep972, sorry for any attitude directed towards you. I'm reliving my teenage angst days

I'll disagree to a certain extent about the KS issue, you can do like the EMS boys do and use it like a gain meter when it is supposed to be used to monitor specific frequencies, but that works crudely. Your example of an ITR doesn't indicate to me enough information... was the car actually detonating or were you picking up high freq knock that proceeds detonation? If the car was detonating, did you just retard the timing enough to make the KS input happy while placing the car on the border of high freq knock? I'll reiterate again, the best use of a KS is through an amp into a set of headphones.


... I'm not surprised to hear tony1's basemaps work so damn well...

... and I've paid attention to a few of your posts. You're awfully high up the food chain as consumers go, but your consumerism shows through sometimes. Yeah, I'm enjoying teasing you a little bit, hope you don't take that the wrong way.

 

Another feature uberdata has that hondata doesn't-- you get a christmas card from buraku every year featuring him on santa's lap. Also ol' buraku made an autotune for narrowband (not sure why he did this) and is currently messing with a wideband one too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DIRep972, sorry for any attitude directed towards you. I'm reliving my teenage angst days

I'll disagree to a certain extent about the KS issue, you can do like the EMS boys do and use it like a gain meter when it is supposed to be used to monitor specific frequencies, but that works crudely. Your example of an ITR doesn't indicate to me enough information... was the car actually detonating or were you picking up high freq knock that proceeds detonation? If the car was detonating, did you just retard the timing enough to make the KS input happy while placing the car on the border of high freq knock? I'll reiterate again, the best use of a KS is through an amp into a set of headphones.


... I'm not surprised to hear tony1's basemaps work so damn well...

... and I've paid attention to a few of your posts. You're awfully high up the food chain as consumers go, but your consumerism shows through sometimes. Yeah, I'm enjoying teasing you a little bit, hope you don't take that the wrong way. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There was no audible knock, had there been true audible knock that we could hear over the engine, then it would probably have been too late. 22deg was knock. 21 deg was barely, just a pinch of knock, and 20 deg. was actually the point where the KS no longer picked up knock at all, but we set it back to 18.5 and sacrificed a few HP so it wouldn't be on the edge.

I am definitly a consumer even though I step on the other side every once in awhile. The main thing I don't like about uberdata spreading to non-DIYer's, is that I feel like Hondata paved the way for the to be an Uberdata. Maybe I am wrong about this, and maybe blake and you guys had started on all the code before doug, but it just seems to me like there should at least be a level of respect for hondata by uberdata users, even if they do not feel it is worth the money.

 

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There was no audible knock, had there been true audible knock that we could hear over the engine, then it would probably have been too late. 22deg was knock. 21 deg was barely, just a pinch of knock, and 20 deg. was actually the point where the KS no longer picked up knock at all, but we set it back to 18.5 and sacrificed a few HP so it wouldn't be on the edge. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I withdraw my objection, that sounds safe + sane.

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Hondata's origins were a message forum for the DIY reverse engineering of the Honda ECU. Doug, out of his own mouth has wished pgmfi the best of luck as it was "what we were doing." Blake Warner, author of UD, would tell everyone on the face of the planet to **** off because he did it all himself, with the exclusion of a little help from Doc in re memory locations. In these later days we can say UD wouldn't be where it is now without the collective efforts of a number of people, but it still all hinges on B.

I'm not terribly impressed with the concept of UD getting out of the DIY arena, either, but what can you do? *shrug*

Some of the overreactive UD users opinions of Hondata - of which I am to blame as well - is more a response to the Hondata fanboys with a snide comment for UD based on their ignorance of anything that matters on the subject. I've met Doug, and Matt, From Hondata and I liked them lots. Doug is a consummate gentleman, doesn't swear enough for me to 100% trust him, but that's me. Steven and I took Matt to lunch in the "D15A6" Civic, it's 60 whp and 3000 rpm launch rev limiter had him hysterical when we pulled up next to a Mustang at a traffic light and started revving. Hondata is populated by some good, knowledgible guys, but this is sort of like politics... we get so caught up in our side we forget the ppl on the other side are human beings, and that their product is a solid one... Hondata fanboys/users offer the same disrespect to UD users you're noticing from us. The problem goes both ways, and maybe it shouldn't.

But, anyway, **** Hondata.

 

I know very little about both. But I would like to say its been very interesting reading both pages of this for the first time, i've learned quite abit and im glad this post was started. I think it started because of me though, because the person who started this post had been messaging me about how to find a tuner for uberdata or if there was a tuner for uberdata in texas. Which I didn't know because im from Maine.

Just wanted to share that i've learned a bit from this post and im glad it happened, now I have that link to the uberdata forums

I have a GSR-Turbo, Im using Uberdata, it was tuned by Phiz. He traveled to me to tune it on a wideband, Ill be traveling to him now to hit up the dyno and finish the tuning. I didn't have enough money for Hondata and Uberdata kind of saved me, because I got a basemap from Phiz and then he came down and tuned it for me. So, I owe it to Uberdata, but I am a firm believer that there both great engine management systems. Ill just keep myself posted to this link to see if I can learn anything else. Also, I saw that J. Davis said something about a 12:1 afr, well my car was street tuned to 12.5:1, is that too lean? or will I be safe. I'd just like to know because im heading to the dyno on saturday with phiz and we are doing some more street tuning aswell. We still have a few kinks to work out in the car.

&lt;----trying to learn more

 

i find it funny when people say a tuner won't touch Uberdata...Ive seen plenty of cars tuned/dynoed @ shops running AFC Hack, FMU/FPR setups, etc...so they'll touch that but not a program that offers standalone cabibilites? hmm i dunno.

Everyone forgets shops/tuners operate on MONEY. To have your car tuned your either paying by the hour, or a flat fee. The one thing uberdata lacks compared to hondata is teh ability to tune on the fly. (more of a convienence than a nessecity). It will prolly take another 1-2 hours to fully tune an uberdata car over a similar hondata car (having to burn/re-burn chips). If your at some big commercial shop (some charge upwards of $150hr tuning) the few extra hours of tuning uberdata would equal the cost of hondata. Also if the tuner charges a flat fee...he could be done with the hondata car in the half the time, so of course he would prefer hondata. My personal opinion...If your gonna use uberdata, learn to tune it yourself or with a friend, you'll be happy you did everytime you add a mod or want to make changes

 

I originally planned on using uberdata. But I am not a "Do it yourselfer" nor am I willing to risk letting myself tune my only daily driver. I needed my car tuned by a professional, and so I chose Hondata. I wanted the piece of mind of knowing I had something good managing my engine.

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VSV is doing my tuning...Too bad I already purchased my Hondata Unit... But I have no regrets and rather keep it

And one other thing, I have introduced uberdata to a local shop here in Oklahoma. Since Oklahoma is a rather less educated market in imports, meaning they all are cheap, run FMUs, run AFCs...very few even consider hondata...so Trizone Motorsports(local shop) doesn't think becoming a hondata dealer is economical in Oklahoma. So once he gets used to chipping ECU's and the uberdata software, he'll be using Uberdata to tune more and more cars. I personally dont' consider myself an Uberdata basher, I have a lot of respect for Uberdata, but it is definitely not for the DIY's.

Khoi

 

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I withdraw my objection, that sounds safe + sane.

Hondata's origins were a message forum for the DIY reverse engineering of the Honda ECU. Doug, out of his own mouth has wished pgmfi the best of luck as it was "what we were doing." Blake Warner, author of UD, would tell everyone on the face of the planet to **** off because he did it all himself, with the exclusion of a little help from Doc in re memory locations. In these later days we can say UD wouldn't be where it is now without the collective efforts of a number of people, but it still all hinges on B.

I'm not terribly impressed with the concept of UD getting out of the DIY arena, either, but what can you do? *shrug*

Some of the overreactive UD users opinions of Hondata - of which I am to blame as well - is more a response to the Hondata fanboys with a snide comment for UD based on their ignorance of anything that matters on the subject. I've met Doug, and Matt, From Hondata and I liked them lots. Doug is a consummate gentleman, doesn't swear enough for me to 100% trust him, but that's me. Steven and I took Matt to lunch in the "D15A6" Civic, it's 60 whp and 3000 rpm launch rev limiter had him hysterical when we pulled up next to a Mustang at a traffic light and started revving. Hondata is populated by some good, knowledgible guys, but this is sort of like politics... we get so caught up in our side we forget the ppl on the other side are human beings, and that their product is a solid one... Hondata fanboys/users offer the same disrespect to UD users you're noticing from us. The problem goes both ways, and maybe it shouldn't.

But, anyway, **** Hondata. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. cool *** info.