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Old 09-06-2009, 06:43 AM
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Here goes, 92 integra b20 vtec it has a turbonetics t3/t4 at 10 psi recently replaced head gasket with a three laryer from golden eagle and arp head studs its solid, no white smoke its more greyish and suddle blue it is oil. I did a compression test and it read
1=200
2=210
3=210
4=210
I know cylinder one varies but it is still in spec for good compression. Now I am assuming that these numbers mean that I do not have bad piston rings I could be wrong this is why I am posting this to honda tech
Also the spark plug in cylinder 4 had oil covered on it the others had some oil on them but not on the electrode like cylinder 4. First thing right after I'm done posting this is checking the valve cover gasket to see if they're gone at the spark plug opening just thought of this while typing but it probably isn't this simple.
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Maybe its the turbo seal?
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How long have you had the turbo kit installed on the b20 vtec motor on 10psi? you always ran it on 10 psi?
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how high is your oil return tapped in the oil pan? if its too low the oil can build up and come out the exhaust side of the turbo i had the same problem on my teg.. also is the oil on the spark plugs on top or bottom if top=valve cover gasket! if bottom= possible valve seals..?
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new turbo and using a restricter car been turbod since I bought it car was tuned at ten ever since. was going to get retuned but never got enough funds. oil is mostly on bottom but number 4 had it the worst both top an bottom. still pulls and drives fine but smokes real bad and no I am not driving it at all anymore i dont want it to get worse mite be those seals and guides maybe?
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yeh i'd shoot for a leaky seal in the head mine as well go ahead an have it worked an new valve cover gasket 120-150$ max GL
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pcv system?
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

Yea it gots a catch can and the stock one has been plugged and rerouted to it. Since I just put the head gasket could/should I reuse it? it cost like a buck fifty I hate idea of just tossing it. Im def. reusing these head bolts tho not even a mile on those parts what you guys think?
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if you have a b20vtec why don't you just use a stock b20 headgasket from honda. ..Much cheaper and will hold 1000hp just fine so im sure it would help you save a little moneys.
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

It seems to be getting far more common for Honda people to ruin turbo seals. Boosting with the oil cold, or never letting the turbo cool enough before shutting off. 3 minutes+ is a minimum if you romp on it less than 10 mins before parking, at least 2 mins for normal driving.

I can't prove that its the turbo, but you also can't disprove it at this point. It seems like the most logical candidate at this point, however.
Old 09-06-2009, 03:09 PM
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No its not logical in my case and the proof is that the turbo is new and the oil is in the cylinder evident because of the fact that there is oil on the spark plugs READ, better yet here's an update without turbo manifold on the engine it smokes with open head and wtf I have a turbo timer on it 3 mins. to be exact. I used golden eagle hg cuz they claim it flows better due to the fact that some of the oil and coolant jets are not partially blocked unlike the stock b20 hg! what a waste of money would anyone reuse this? there are people that reuse them. I want an explanation to why they can be reused then I can be the judge of whether or not to reuse Thanks
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

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I want an explanation to why they can be reused then I can be the judge of whether or not to reuse Thanks
would you reuse a condom?
Old 09-06-2009, 08:22 PM
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Re use=Bad idea! lol even tho its expensive its worth more to put a new one instead of having to go back afterwards and replace when it starts leaking.
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

Originally Posted by Chris Crane
would you reuse a condom?
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

I think when u tourqe ur head it smashes the gasket making groves and when u reuse it it wont sit in the exact same spot. And the condom thing
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the only thing with re-using the gasket is as soon as it heats up its molded in the position it needs to be and once it has been in that position and u take it off it wont seal off perfect again.
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I like the condom thing depends tho if someone else used that condom I wouldnt reuse it, but if I used it um.... why not? Well looks like im getting a new one and build the head
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

95% of the time with b20VTEC turbo set ups your rod bearings are gone = crank is unbalance = noise and some what smoke . either way you need to tear down the engine to check it we all might be wrong .
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Default Re: I have smoke alot of smoke. need advice on where to start before tear down again

Originally Posted by Chris Crane
would you reuse a condom?
lolzX3
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Originally Posted by HiProfile
3 minutes+ is a minimum if you romp on it less than 10 mins before parking, at least 2 mins for normal driving.
I am not sure about this comment.....

I have been running Diesel Heavy Equipment for over a Decade, when they are running they are constantly in boost (20-40psi) for hours at a time, and only require a 30sec to 1 min cool down time at 25-50% throttle for the Turbo, and the Turbo's last 5000+hrs before they take a ****.

I do not know what Diesel EGT's are but I would imagine with the high compression they run its somewhat high, even though I think Diesel burns much cooler than Gas.
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96 gsrt im interested in your set up pm me with your parts and specs for that e85 pull if you can no big deal tho
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