xrtdac

I am thinking of putting somethin like this for now:

JE Pistons
Eagle Rods
Block guard (unsure if can afford sleeving right now. Plus suggest good guard brand please.)

I'm runnin a Drag set-up that netted me 231.4 to the wheels on 9PSI.

Is it possible probably to push up to 15-16 PSI with those pistons, rods and the block guard?

another strange question, I have never really seen a block guard, can you use more than one guard. Cause If I think I'm right they go in the channel outside the walls of the cylinders to brace the walls correct? so would it be possible to have more than one guard in there.

xrtdac

Beuler.............Beuler..............Beuler..... ..........

yellowsub

Use the search button. And stock motors can handle that much boost if its well tuned.

dustin

You can do 15psi on that. The sleeves will (obviously) be the weak link -- just don't let it ping

xrtdac

I have already done the search and all that other stuff.

I have made over the 231 to the wheels WITHOUT the new pistons and rods and the block gaurd.

I am asking if I can turn it up from the 10PSI to say 15-16PSI.
IF someone can give me a better educated opinion other than saying look at search (thanks GIL) and saying they think they can (this is not a kids book called Benji), that would be highly appreciated.

What I am looking for:
Benefits of the block guard? does it make it so you can run higher boost due to it increasing the stability of the stock sleeves?
Will the new pistons and rods make it so as well able to run more boost or less do to the boring?
Can I safely run likely 15-17 psi with the new rods and pistons anda block guard?


[Modified by xrtdac, 11:47 PM 1/20/2003]


[Modified by xrtdac, 11:49 PM 1/20/2003]

DIRep972

iTrader: (1)

did u ever figure out what the problem was before? why u couldnt build full boost?

pissedoffsol

psi means jack **** without saying what size turbo you plan to run

BudaKai

It's true. I would just not waste the money on the blockguard, and save for a good old-fashioned sleeving.

LS-hatch

Common misconeption, the only variables here are volume and pressure. As long as he is using the same volume in between his piping, IM, and head, more pressure is the only variable. Therefore, more pressure will mean more power on the same setup. The source of the pressure (turbo size) has nothing to do with it. If you don't believe me go ask any physics teacher, or look in a physics book.

BudaKai

You know anything about "THERMODYNAMICS"? Do you know anything about temperature and efficiency with turbo's? What about density levels and how they corelate with temperature. What about detonation and pinging? All these are effected by size and trim of the turbo. You can't just slap "amy-old" turbo on an engine and expect to be able to make any amount of power you want with-out taking all of these factors into thought.
You sir need to be schooled in the ways of "boost".

But hey, what do I know right?

Stu

wrong


true

xrtdac

HEY ALL.

Turbo efficiency is a big deal. IF you would notice I am running the Drag kit with the T3/o4E turbo. I believe it is a .57AR.

ANYWAYS, smile. I realized Sleeves aren't that expensive really. I'm probably just gonna get some Darton sleeves.

SAFER IS BETTER.

so I think it will go like this:

JE pistons (pins, rings and locks too I am thinking)
Eagle rods
Darton sleeves

(then just turn up to about 15-17 psi with some good tuning.)

BudaKai

Much better!

yellowsub

Hey tyler i did a search for you on blockguards:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=351306
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=339126
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=325148
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=319182
And it only took me a few seconds to find those topics. The reason i say use the search button is because these topics get discussed so much that the archives are just overflowing with info.

Edit: Heres another topic that was just down the page: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=390201


[Modified by yellowsub, 5:39 PM 1/21/2003]

LS-hatch

who said we were talking about safety and pinging and detonation? What I said was a worded wrong. All im trying to say is that psi DOES mean jack **** with any normal application. I say normal becasue I figured he would be smart ebough to be using something appropriatly sized for his engine, not any-old turbo. There are too many other factors with temp to say it all depends on the turbo size and trim. (IC, piping material, underhood temps, etc.) Its like people who try to say hp means nothing all you need is torque. Well Id like to see a turbo with 0 psi make any extra power is psi means nothing. Same thing for a motor with 0 hp and 500 ft/lbs. They both matter.


[Modified by LS-hatch, 1:24 PM 1/21/2003]

synergy004

are you gonna run engine managment or afc hack, fmu set up ect.

laters

xrtdac

on the 9 psi I ran the S-AFC wioth FMU. I will likely switch to say some DSM injectors and a 1-1 FMU and keep using the AFC for bnow becuse it has been doing good so far. I do plan on going AEM fuel mgmt. at some point, just not right now, thus why I wouldn't probably go over 17psi or so.

SoulSurfer

I think the red Civic hatch in SCC (Jason Hererra's?) was running over 20psi with just a blockgaurd. Could be wrong.

underpressure02

I had a simliar set up as you are thinking of running. JE pistons, Crower rods, neformz block guard. AEM EMS. I had the car tuned at 14 psi. It was running really good for about 4 or 5 months then one night on the way home from a dinner. I cracked a sleeve boostin at 14. So I would suggest going with the sleeves if you can. I just got done ripping my who motor apart and out. Now I am without a car until i get the parts, money and time to fix it all.

xrtdac

Isn't that the biggest BIoootch of all. Sitting and waiting for your car to be done and knowing what it will be capable of when you are done with it?

Chrome Pipes

Its all in how your car is tuned, and I would'nt try using 2 block guards. I am going to try and boost 15 psi on my new inlinepro gasketed stock bottom end LS/VTEC though!

DRAGLS

I have ross pistons,eagle rods, and a block guard i dynoed at 334hp 258tq at 14psi and have turn up the boost up to 18psi at the track all w/ stock sleeves...

LS-hatch

what compression? tuning?

DRAGLS

ross 8.5:1 and s-afc,s-itc and a cartech fmu, RC 440cc injectors.

92gsrhatch

did you run any kind of ign system, do you have to?