Im was going to Tune with Hondata but recently ive been looking into Uberdata. but since there isn't anybody who tunes Uberdata around me. I would have to tune it myself with a wideband o2. My question is it worth it to tune uberdata my self and buy a wideband o2. or just get Hondata and have it tuned by a professional? Thanks.

 

If you have the cash (and won't miss it too bad) use Hondata, esp. if you have a good Hondata tuner around.

If you understand the SW well enough on Uberdata, you could probably teach the tuner how to use it.

Same ****, different name.

 

Save your money for hondata unless you have a lot of access to a tuner that can street tune w/ you.

 

Well i have my "Hondata Fund" pretty much complete but I was just thinking that I could save alittle by going with Uberdata. But Buy the time I get a Wideband o2 and stuff, ill be getting pretty close to the price of Hondata (untuned) anyway So I don't know. Anymore suggestions?

 

just weigh the differences....spend a shitload of money on hondata itself and then pay a shitload to have someone tune it....or take some time learning how to tune yourself with uberdata and get it for free.

 

Uberdata You won't be sorry

 

Don't buy Hondata! It's a scam.


I sold my Hondata setup last month when I realized "why the **** did I spend $600 on a little blue box?" Uberdata is the same thing, it's just free.

Here is the bottom line. Both setups will cost about the same, but as soon as you modify your car some more, it will cost additional money to re-tune the Hondata. With Uberdata, you can re-tune yourself anytime you want.

 

Someone posted this a few days ago and I found it useful:
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler65/honda/index.html

When you switch to OBD-1, you can sell your OBD-2 ECU and re-coop the cost. Here is a break down of the costs as I see it.

Uberdata:
Conversion harness - $70
ECU modification parts - $40
Wideband - $300
E-Prom burner - $100

TOTAL - about $500


Hondata:
Blue box - $495
Conversion harness - $70

TOTAL - about $550.

 

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I sold my Hondata setup last month when I realized "why the **** did I spend $600 on a little blue box?" Uberdata is the same thing, it's just free.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is that so?... I know I paid about the same amount for my Hondata S200b... but for all the troubles and headaches I DON'T have to worry about if I did go with a Uber-whatever-data, I do not really mind. One way or another you are going to have it tuned/dynoed so why not just do it all at the same time. In fact, my tuner cut me a great deal on the tuning/dyno'ing because I purchased the Hondata system from him. Also.. YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!!

 

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YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Street tuning has its benefits. For one the most obvious is you are actually driving the car, getting real life air flow through the intercooler.

some say the best way to tune is WOT on a dyno, and tune part throttle on the street. some say it should all be done on a dyno. I say as long as your car maintains a healthy A/F ratio while on the street who gives a **** unless your trying to squeeze out every last HP.

 

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Is that so?... I know I paid about the same amount for my Hondata S200b... but for all the troubles and headaches I DON'T have to worry about if I did go with a Uber-whatever-data, I do not really mind. One way or another you are going to have it tuned/dynoed so why not just do it all at the same time. In fact, my tuner cut me a great deal on the tuning/dyno'ing because I purchased the Hondata system from him. Also.. YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Its really up to you. If you wanna learn about your car/how to tune, have the time to spend researching/learning to tune, dont mind a well running car, but not have absolute max performance, then go uberdata. But if you want guaranteed results, then go Hondata and get it tuned by a reputable tuner.

In my mind its always nice to learn something. How can modding cars be a hobby if you just pick parts out and send it to the shop.

 

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In my mind its always nice to learn something. How can modding cars be a hobby if you just pick parts out and send it to the shop.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yep. Personally, I don't want anyone else laying their hands on my car.

 

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Its really up to you. If you wanna learn about your car/how to tune, have the time to spend researching/learning to tune, dont mind a well running car, but not have absolute max performance, then go uberdata. But if you want guaranteed results, then go Hondata and get it tuned by a reputable tuner.

In my mind its always nice to learn something. How can modding cars be a hobby if you just pick parts out and send it to the shop.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its just that learning sometimes cost more that it would if you had a pro do it the first time. I am not about to experiment with tuning on my $5000+ dollar motor. And damn sure wont do it on my daily driver.

 

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When you switch to OBD-1, you can sell your OBD-2 ECU and re-coop the cost. Here is a break down of the costs as I see it.

Uberdata:
Conversion harness - $70
ECU modification parts - $40
Wideband - $300
E-Prom burner - $100

TOTAL - about $500


Hondata:
Blue box - $495
Conversion harness - $70

TOTAL - about $550.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow way off, you can build your own conversion harness, E-Prom burners are around $50 shipped now, on your estimate you have Wideband listed for Uberdata but no tuning aid listed for Hondata, what are you going to do drive on a basemap? Add to that having to re-pay someone else to tune your car everytime you change your setup and your hondata has to be updated and it will start adding up real quick.

It really only comes down to the type of person you are. If you know that you are not going to be able to handle reading large amounts of information and learning how how an ECU works then you are going to have to shell out the money for a commercial product like Hondata. Or you could always get the all-new-best-ever-super-evolution-in-obd-1-tuning-not-a-copy-of-any-other Neptune

 

the question is do you want your car tuned... PERIOD. If so pay for Hondata and someone to do it.

it you would like to learn how to tune and be able to do it yourself. Than you can still choose either.

$$$$$ doesn't seem to be a issue for you so lets not take that into account. Doesn't sound like you are totally into trying to tune yourself so I'd suggests you go with Hondata. Than you always have a choice to tune yourself or give it to a tuner.

 

Uh oh another Hondata vs ubercrome

 

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Its really up to you. If you wanna learn about your car/how to tune, have the time to spend researching/learning to tune, dont mind a well running car, but not have absolute max performance, then go uberdata. But if you want guaranteed results, then go Hondata and get it tuned by a reputable tuner.
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I defently have the time and want to learn how to tune my car, But I just put allot of money into my Turbo setup and am not sure I want to take a chance of jacking it up! anyway I think it would be cool to tune it myself especailly because im planning on building my motor, so it would be nice not to have to pay for a retune with Hondata. Then again I want the stock drivability that Hondata will give me. How succesul is street tuning for you Uberdata guys, did you have to take it to a Dyno and do some WOT throttle pulls for further tuning or did you guys do all the tuning on the street? Pretty much the one thing that worrys me about uberdata is the fact that I might mess somthing up and end up paying allot more than I would have if I just had some one tune it with hondata. Also Which Wideband o2 would you guys recomend, ive been looking into them and there is quite a few that work with Uberdata. Thanks


Modified by Blkteg97 at 10:10 PM 10/26/2004

 

hondata[/sarcasm]

 

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what are you talking about? Where do you drive your car....on the streets or on a dyno? Street tuning your a/f with a wideband is more acurate than a dyno because it is in real street conditions..not just some fan blowing air on the front of your car. The only reason to tune fuel on a dyno rather than on the street imo is if you have an extremely high hp car that is unsafe to do redline pulls on the street.

 

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but for all the troubles and headaches I DON'T have to worry about if I did go with a Uber-whatever-data, I do not really mind. One way or another you are going to have it tuned/dynoed so why not just do it all at the same time. In fact, my tuner cut me a great deal on the tuning/dyno'ing because I purchased the Hondata system from him. Also.. YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

yikes... does this poor guy know he just insulted himself??

let see... saving money does seem like an issue... i'll list what i spent so you can really put it into perspective.
Eprom burner $45
5 Flash Eproms about $5 a peice
74hc373 chip i think .50cents a peice
PLX wideband 320 shipped
a whole lot of my free time reading and studying Uberdata= FREE
i think i came out ahead... maybe i didn't. you do the math.

i can tune my car anyway, anytime i want= priceless

This is not an attempt to turn this into a Hondata vs Uber thread...

just my point of view

 

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Wow way off, you can build your own conversion harness, E-Prom burners are around $50 shipped now, on your estimate you have Wideband listed for Uberdata but no tuning aid listed for Hondata, what are you going to do drive on a basemap? Add to that having to re-pay someone else to tune your car everytime you change your setup and your hondata has to be updated and it will start adding up real quick.
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Geez, what a douche. I think I know how much each costs because I've used both. And you can get an eprom burner from $40-$300. Obviously it depends on what kind of quality/features you are looking for.

Boy, you missed everything. The whole point of the argument is uberdata/self-tuning vs. Hondata/professional tuning. Given the situation, you don't need to buy a wideband o2. And obviously you will pay more for Hondata re-tunes, that was one of my main points.

If you are looking at comparing the two for self-tuning it will be more like this:

Uberdata total: $500
Hondata total (after necessary software upgrades and wbo2): $1800

 

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what are you talking about? Where do you drive your car....on the streets or on a dyno? Street tuning your a/f with a wideband is more acurate than a dyno because it is in real street conditions..not just some fan blowing air on the front of your car. The only reason to tune fuel on a dyno rather than on the street imo is if you have an extremely high hp car that is unsafe to do redline pulls on the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

geez, i'm surprised no one has said this yet. " SEARCHED FUNCTION!" haha but seriously though, there are so many threads like this one and the on-going debate on whether or not a person should invest money into hondata or not. and then you have hondata and uberdata users telling each other they should've went with the other option.

ITS LIKE TELLING A DEMOCRAT HE'S ******* STUPID FOR NOT BEING A REPUBLICAN.

obviously, the people using what ever the hell they are using have already made they're choice. why try and change it.

-to the original thread starter, I use Uberdata, it works, does the job, i was workin on a budget and at the time, it was something cheap that had some sort of tunability and over the past 6+ months, it has grown to be a neccesity for me and the people around me as i share it with everyone, friends, customers and total strangers.

 

hondata suck ***** i have one and it does nothing they charge you for every upgrade and it still has no wide band plus they support nothing total wast of money just get the aem ems p.s hondata 3b for sale 600 can

 

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