Hondata or Uberdata?
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (omahaturbocivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omahaturbocivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you ever even used uberdata? I own two turbo hondas that me and my gf daily drive and have tuned several locally with zero problems. My coupe has been running uberdata since the first free release (version 1.2 I think) over a year ago with no complaints. All the haters talk about these problems and quirks, what are they? As long as you are not using any of the experimental versions it works fine. My car is running a 3 bar map with 15-17psi daily and my buddys car is running the same daily and they both drive like stock!
Do you guys think hondata is perfect???? If I remember right Hondata still calculates the scalars wrong and has known glitches uberdata solved ages ago.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, yeah uberdata really is supposed to get better with its next update, lots of new stuff that WORKS, supposedly.
Do you guys think hondata is perfect???? If I remember right Hondata still calculates the scalars wrong and has known glitches uberdata solved ages ago.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, yeah uberdata really is supposed to get better with its next update, lots of new stuff that WORKS, supposedly.
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (xenocron)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xenocron »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Watch it Phil....I may have to come kick your Neptuned ***! HAHA
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There's gotta be someone on there semi-close thats willing to help you tune </TD></TR></TABLE>
The only one close is san fransisco and that is like 7 hours away. its no problem though im acually pretty excited about doing this myself, because it a cool thing to learn and the more I read about it the cooler it sounds. Thanks though
Watch it Phil....I may have to come kick your Neptuned ***! HAHA
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There's gotta be someone on there semi-close thats willing to help you tune
</TD></TR></TABLE>The only one close is san fransisco and that is like 7 hours away. its no problem though im acually pretty excited about doing this myself, because it a cool thing to learn and the more I read about it the cooler it sounds. Thanks though
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (UberTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UberTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you have a burner? The problem I see is you are relying on other people to burn oyu basemaps with a possibly unknown version of ud.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes i have a burner.. well the guy that tried to tune my car did..
yes i have a burner.. well the guy that tried to tune my car did..
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my personal opinion is the vafc, j/k lol
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.
Yes you can research all ya want, but you car will not run AS safe as a professionally tuned car. If tuning was so easy everyone would have a "Mase-O-Palooza" (gotta love the catchy name) But thats my reason why i think hondata is a better route. Yes I know people have had there car running for 1,432,567 miles on a uberdata honda pushing 54psi of boost on a turbo the size of a party sub from Subway. But hey, thats nice.
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.
Yes you can research all ya want, but you car will not run AS safe as a professionally tuned car. If tuning was so easy everyone would have a "Mase-O-Palooza" (gotta love the catchy name) But thats my reason why i think hondata is a better route. Yes I know people have had there car running for 1,432,567 miles on a uberdata honda pushing 54psi of boost on a turbo the size of a party sub from Subway. But hey, thats nice.
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Re: (quik sol)
i love how people say uberdata is for the self tuner and hondata is for the seruous youser , you ******* idioes.....uberdata just costs nothnig soe all the hondat a users get butturt im dtunk as **** so dont mind me , but **** hondat.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my personal opinion is the vafc, j/k lol
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.
Yes you can research all ya want, but you car will not run AS safe as a professionally tuned car. If tuning was so easy everyone would have a "Mase-O-Palooza" (gotta love the catchy name) But thats my reason why i think hondata is a better route. Yes I know people have had there car running for 1,432,567 miles on a uberdata honda pushing 54psi of boost on a turbo the size of a party sub from Subway. But hey, thats nice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you not realize a blind basemap made by a monkey would have been safer on your car than the hack you were running? how long did you car last ...1 week?
you DON'T need a professional tuner to but a safe conservative tune on a car....alll it takes is alittle common sense...if you lack that then..oh well.
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.
Yes you can research all ya want, but you car will not run AS safe as a professionally tuned car. If tuning was so easy everyone would have a "Mase-O-Palooza" (gotta love the catchy name) But thats my reason why i think hondata is a better route. Yes I know people have had there car running for 1,432,567 miles on a uberdata honda pushing 54psi of boost on a turbo the size of a party sub from Subway. But hey, thats nice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you not realize a blind basemap made by a monkey would have been safer on your car than the hack you were running? how long did you car last ...1 week?
you DON'T need a professional tuner to but a safe conservative tune on a car....alll it takes is alittle common sense...if you lack that then..oh well.
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (egturbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by egturbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">snail tuning made the ecu for me.. and i didnt get a cel at first.. i had problems the first day then i asked ht member to make me a base map then the next day i used that map then thats when the cel came on.. just problems after problems.</TD></TR></TABLE>
your problem is the guy that was trying to help you tune has no idea what he is doing. when you hook up the wideband. you want to unhook your stock sensor, screw in the wideband, and run the narrow output to your ECU. and disable the O2 heater in uberdata. otherwise you will throw codes. and it will run like ****. you just have to know what your doing.
to the person who started this thread.
you say no one around you can tune uberdata. can anyone tune hondata? if not then uberdata would be a better choice, becuase you tune them basicly the same. and for the price of the hondata you can street tune your ubedata. its like 280 for the zeitronix wideband, 85 for the moets eprom programer, and you will need a laptop with USB. if you buy the programer, and take a laptop with uberdata to the dyno, have them look over the uberdata stuff, and they should be able to tune, because it should be similar to hondata, you just program a chip and stick that in your ecu instead of it bruning automaticly like hondata does.
oh and to the dumbass that said street tuning is bad, and tuning on a dyno is the only way to tune. well i tuned to 12.0 across the board. and my 12.0 is very accurate because the sensor is in my downpipe. any idea where they put the oygen sensor on a dyno???? yeah in the muffler, where it can get more air, and if your exhaust leaks it will be more lean. so street tuning my car may actually be more acturate than if i had tuned it on a dyno.
your problem is the guy that was trying to help you tune has no idea what he is doing. when you hook up the wideband. you want to unhook your stock sensor, screw in the wideband, and run the narrow output to your ECU. and disable the O2 heater in uberdata. otherwise you will throw codes. and it will run like ****. you just have to know what your doing.
to the person who started this thread.
you say no one around you can tune uberdata. can anyone tune hondata? if not then uberdata would be a better choice, becuase you tune them basicly the same. and for the price of the hondata you can street tune your ubedata. its like 280 for the zeitronix wideband, 85 for the moets eprom programer, and you will need a laptop with USB. if you buy the programer, and take a laptop with uberdata to the dyno, have them look over the uberdata stuff, and they should be able to tune, because it should be similar to hondata, you just program a chip and stick that in your ecu instead of it bruning automaticly like hondata does.
oh and to the dumbass that said street tuning is bad, and tuning on a dyno is the only way to tune. well i tuned to 12.0 across the board. and my 12.0 is very accurate because the sensor is in my downpipe. any idea where they put the oygen sensor on a dyno???? yeah in the muffler, where it can get more air, and if your exhaust leaks it will be more lean. so street tuning my car may actually be more acturate than if i had tuned it on a dyno.
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (Snail Tuning)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Snail Tuning »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
oh and to the dumbass that said street tuning is bad, and tuning on a dyno is the only way to tune. well i tuned to 12.0 across the board. and my 12.0 is very accurate because the sensor is in my downpipe. any idea where they put the oygen sensor on a dyno???? yeah in the muffler, where it can get more air, and if your exhaust leaks it will be more lean. so street tuning my car may actually be more acturate than if i had tuned it on a dyno. </TD></TR></TABLE>
my preference is street tuning as well, mostly because i can do it for free whenever i feel like it. i do believe street tuning is better for the fuel maps because of your point you made about the o2 sensor in the header/downpipe versus the muffler. also, since so many things can affect afr, it's best to tune it in the environment that you'll be driving it in.
however, i do believe that if you want optimal timing maps, you will need to bring it to the dyno. as far as i know (pro tuners, correct me if i'm wrong) the only way to accurately tune timing is by monitoring torque changes. personally, however, the extra hp/tq is not worth paying for dyno time because the benefits are usually minimal. also, it's quite easy on my setup to "tune" the timing maps simply because the internals of my motor are stock, so i can keep the timing the same with the exception of the boost portion, which simply requires a few (built-in) formulas to get decent timing maps.
oh and to the dumbass that said street tuning is bad, and tuning on a dyno is the only way to tune. well i tuned to 12.0 across the board. and my 12.0 is very accurate because the sensor is in my downpipe. any idea where they put the oygen sensor on a dyno???? yeah in the muffler, where it can get more air, and if your exhaust leaks it will be more lean. so street tuning my car may actually be more acturate than if i had tuned it on a dyno.
</TD></TR></TABLE>my preference is street tuning as well, mostly because i can do it for free whenever i feel like it. i do believe street tuning is better for the fuel maps because of your point you made about the o2 sensor in the header/downpipe versus the muffler. also, since so many things can affect afr, it's best to tune it in the environment that you'll be driving it in.
however, i do believe that if you want optimal timing maps, you will need to bring it to the dyno. as far as i know (pro tuners, correct me if i'm wrong) the only way to accurately tune timing is by monitoring torque changes. personally, however, the extra hp/tq is not worth paying for dyno time because the benefits are usually minimal. also, it's quite easy on my setup to "tune" the timing maps simply because the internals of my motor are stock, so i can keep the timing the same with the exception of the boost portion, which simply requires a few (built-in) formulas to get decent timing maps.
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Re: (quik sol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my personal opinion is the vafc, j/k lol
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals. I could go the uberdata route and do something blind and mess up my car. OR buy hondata and have it tuned by a dealer or a good tuner in the area.
Yes there are tuners for uberdata but most people say, "well i got a wideband, i can do it" and boom, bye bye stock motor or in the worst case built motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (quik sol)
[QUOTE=quik sol]
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals.
QUOTE]
The only way to become a professional is to practice, so if tuning was only left to the professionals and no one ever experamented with tuning no one would have there car tuned lol Anyway the way I look at it I mine as well learn how to tune my car, it would be a great thing to know how to do. besides i don't like letting people work on my car.
but seriously, my opinion is hondata.
explaination: for the most part people don't know how to tune. I think tuning should be left to professionals.
QUOTE]
The only way to become a professional is to practice, so if tuning was only left to the professionals and no one ever experamented with tuning no one would have there car tuned lol Anyway the way I look at it I mine as well learn how to tune my car, it would be a great thing to know how to do. besides i don't like letting people work on my car.
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Re: (b18prl)
if you have confidence in yourself then go with uberdata, with uberdata you can do some sweet tricks like using your ac button for full throttle launch and FT shifts and a lot of other things. plus it's a hell of a lot cheaper, unless you blow your motor.
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (NVturbo)
I agree with Nvturbo You really need a dyno to accurately tune a car and why have to worry about it if you have a good tuner and in my area I have one of the best in "mark" at Turbotune certified hondata tuner and a damn genius
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Re: Hondata or Uberdata? (NVturbo)
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B] YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!![/B] </TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong. Where did you get that load of crapola?
B] YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY TUNE YOUR CAR AT HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE A DYNO...POINT MADE!!![/B] </TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong. Where did you get that load of crapola?
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Re: (b18prl)
I'm pretty sick of the Hyundaidata vs Ubercrap threads - so what? But...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18prl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">free tuining software + $85 burner= ? how about efi 101 class for another 400 and changes still come up cheaper than h@nd@t@</TD></TR></TABLE>
EFI101 will correct most of the problems I see with n00b tuenarboi's. After that class, it's just a couple hours familiarizing yourself with the platform, and an easy-as-pie setup like Ubercrap becomes a useful tool.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18prl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">free tuining software + $85 burner= ? how about efi 101 class for another 400 and changes still come up cheaper than h@nd@t@</TD></TR></TABLE>
EFI101 will correct most of the problems I see with n00b tuenarboi's. After that class, it's just a couple hours familiarizing yourself with the platform, and an easy-as-pie setup like Ubercrap becomes a useful tool.
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Re: (T-RO)
<---sick of the hondata vs uberdata threads as well.
If you need the support and physical infrastructure that Hondata supplies (IE you feel nervous about using a product thats only supported on the internet) then go with Hondata.
If you don't want to tune it yourself, and only know people experienced with Hondata, go Hondata.
If you want to learn ECU chipping/tuning and want to do everything yourself, go Uberdata.
If not, but your tuner is more comfortable with Hondata, go Hondata. If he/she prefers Uberdata, go uberdata.
For those of us who dont want to get our hands dirty with doing it ourselves, Ill tell you right now you won't notice any difference either way if performance is what youre worried about. Ask yourself the questions above and go with that.
We've been over this a thousand times. Ill look into adding to the FAQ.
If you need the support and physical infrastructure that Hondata supplies (IE you feel nervous about using a product thats only supported on the internet) then go with Hondata.
If you don't want to tune it yourself, and only know people experienced with Hondata, go Hondata.
If you want to learn ECU chipping/tuning and want to do everything yourself, go Uberdata.
If not, but your tuner is more comfortable with Hondata, go Hondata. If he/she prefers Uberdata, go uberdata.
For those of us who dont want to get our hands dirty with doing it ourselves, Ill tell you right now you won't notice any difference either way if performance is what youre worried about. Ask yourself the questions above and go with that.
We've been over this a thousand times. Ill look into adding to the FAQ.
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Re: (newgsrdriver)
And just to add on the "you need a dyno to accurately tune" yada yada....
I hope no one reads this sort of generalization and believes it. Ive personally witnessed street tuned cars lay down a nearly identical curve after tuning on the dyno, as Im sure many other people have.
I hope no one reads this sort of generalization and believes it. Ive personally witnessed street tuned cars lay down a nearly identical curve after tuning on the dyno, as Im sure many other people have.
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