legendboy

Just put my aem ems in and thought it may be a good idea to have some other honda ems guys on my msn or somethin. Post here if your intrested!

legendboy

doh just found this thread!

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=390062

legendboy

Well here is the list if anybody wants to include themselves from here

AIM SN ----- HT SN
prophetx2 ----- prophet
racerxadam ----- racerxadam
nateman46 ----- highbrid
VacillyPetrovich ----- integra-modder
EricCho at Work ----- echo999
falconGSR ----- falc0n
evohybrid ----- [evo]Hybrid
luisjro ----- ljrlude01
BocaJuniors18 ----- MouhadIb
Speedworks801 ----- Speedworks801
Tinker219 ----- Tinker219
tygsr ----- tygsr
Muckman ----- MuckmanGSR
Billobng ----- MilanoRedLST
mskibbz ----- mskibbz
slowsi00-----slowsi00
WadZii22---Jdogg
legendboyHT---legendboy

Rtype16

Another great place for help would be the AEM tech line or the AEM EMS Forum.

underpressure02

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by legendboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well here is the list if anybody wants to include themselves from here

AIM SN ----- HT SN
prophetx2 ----- prophet
racerxadam ----- racerxadam
nateman46 ----- highbrid
VacillyPetrovich ----- integra-modder
EricCho at Work ----- echo999
falconGSR ----- falc0n
evohybrid ----- [evo]Hybrid
luisjro ----- ljrlude01
BocaJuniors18 ----- MouhadIb
Speedworks801 ----- Speedworks801
Tinker219 ----- Tinker219
tygsr ----- tygsr
Muckman ----- MuckmanGSR
Billobng ----- MilanoRedLST
mskibbz ----- mskibbz
slowsi00-----slowsi00
WadZii22---Jdogg
underpressure02---phatcar87
legendboyHT---legendboy</TD></TR></TABLE>

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

I think the AEM forum kinda sucks. I mean its better than nothing but it moves so slow. Ive asked many questions and never recieved even a single reply months later. If BLKMGK doesnt know your answer then it wont be answered.

What Id like to see is some professionally tuned calibrations we can all trade.
I can host them if you want to share. PM me.

legendboy

ya aem forum is super slow, thats why i made this thread! All i've done so far is master the idle. I need to throw some wheels on and do a bit of street autotune before i go to the dyno to do an n/a tune.

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

I cant even master my idle! Tell us what you adjusted. Couple problems I have had with multiple base maps is my idle is somewhat erratic all the following problems are with the base map, 310 turbo base map and 440 turbo base map for a 30-1010 and with stock GSR injectors and 550cc injectors. EMS is calibrated for all sensors, ignition synchronized, throttle calibrated etc. Knock and O2 feedback are disabled for tuning. idle ignition is 16*

1.) idle hunts between 800-1000 rpm after warm up.

2.) my AFR is rich at idle, like 12AFR and i cant lean it out. when i try to lower the fuel cells the idle hunts even more. lower it a little more and the car shuts off from lack of fuel (fuel cells are above 0, duh). I cant lean the idle more than 13.0 AFR.

3.) decelerating from high rpm, the idle dives extremely low, almost dies, sometimes it does.

4.) turning AC on is no problem, but if I turn off the AC during idle, the engine will die.

SiRkid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by legendboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well here is the list if anybody wants to include themselves from here

AIM SN ----- HT SN
prophetx2 ----- prophet
racerxadam ----- racerxadam
nateman46 ----- highbrid
VacillyPetrovich ----- integra-modder
EricCho at Work ----- echo999
falconGSR ----- falc0n
evohybrid ----- [evo]Hybrid
luisjro ----- ljrlude01
BocaJuniors18 ----- MouhadIb
Speedworks801 ----- Speedworks801
Tinker219 ----- Tinker219
tygsr ----- tygsr
Muckman ----- MuckmanGSR
Billobng ----- MilanoRedLST
mskibbz ----- mskibbz
slowsi00-----slowsi00
WadZii22---Jdogg
legendboyHT---legendboy
SiRkid20--- SiRkid
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Sinitron

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by legendboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well here is the list if anybody wants to include themselves from here

AIM SN ----- HT SN
prophetx2 ----- prophet
racerxadam ----- racerxadam
nateman46 ----- highbrid
VacillyPetrovich ----- integra-modder
EricCho at Work ----- echo999
falconGSR ----- falc0n
evohybrid ----- [evo]Hybrid
luisjro ----- ljrlude01
BocaJuniors18 ----- MouhadIb
Speedworks801 ----- Speedworks801
Tinker219 ----- Tinker219
tygsr ----- tygsr
Muckman ----- MuckmanGSR
Billobng ----- MilanoRedLST
mskibbz ----- mskibbz
slowsi00-----slowsi00
WadZii22---Jdogg
legendboyHT---legendboy</TD></TR></TABLE>

The9krpmStore --- Sinitron

I've got JP's old civic. It was used for developing the 30-1000 EMS, and the car still has the gold-box developer edition inside. All the current .94 and 1.03 maps are stilll based off this car if they need reference, or information. I'm real new at EMS, and can use everyone's help on improving this car.

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

That AIM list is great but how are a bunch of EMS newbs gonna help anybody else if they cant figure out their own EMS problems?

We need some real technical information. Such as posting professionally tuned calibrations etc.

Mase

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While I like most of what you say muckfuck, i wont agree with you here.

I have found, that when I give out my calibration files, they tend to be untouched and used even w/ different setups. people expect them to work perfectly and thats never the case.

Therefore, I do not give out my calibration files (one of the many reasons)....

furthermore, while I do agree technical aspects of the aem ems should be shared, instead of people just throwing maps around, it would be more wise to discuss theory of why you do certain things in the software.

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

I do understand your logic here and I agree most would blindly try to run their cars on these maps. I would like to examine the ignition and fuel maps and copy that into my map if its applicable.

Im still trying to learn the system and one of my main problems is I've never seen what a "good" fuel map or ignition map looks like. So I don't know what Im shooting for. I know there's a huge difference in the tune with different setups but Im sure a car with a similar setup as mine should have a similar looking calibration.

My problem is I have no reference point. I end up tuning by trial and error and thats dangerous. How else does one learn? I guess that should be the starting point.

Mase

Ok, I dont like tipping my hat but i will

Start off slow.

First get your idle straight. once u have it properly idling.

then you take a look at your idle values....you should get a general idea of how the fuel map is gonna sorta look, and try to guestimate it best as you can before you even start driving...

next do some partial throttle tuning, let a buddy drive ur car, and then drive around until you get a nice linear smooth curve w/ the proper AFR.

as for ignition remember most take .75 degrees out per psi. start out w/ say 1.0 degrees per psi so you have some room for improvement....

etc etc....
you get my point

racerxadam

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2.) my AFR is rich at idle, like 12AFR and i cant lean it out. when i try to lower the fuel cells the idle hunts even more. lower it a little more and the car shuts off from lack of fuel (fuel cells are above 0, duh). I cant lean the idle more than 13.0 AFR.
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I don't know if you have read any about "boost comp". its basically a trim that applies to values in a load row. when you look at your fuel map the values will be pretty low around your idle area. The theory is that using the boost comp table you can have greater adjustability where you need it. If you apply a large negative boost comp trim that will force you to raise the values in that load row to compensate and maintain the afr you are looking for. In essence you have increased your resolution on that load row. Suppose before the difference between a 12 AFR and 13AFR was a raw value of 4 and a raw value of 6 thats .5 AFR per raw number. So you impliment a negative boost comp that will take a percentage of fuel out, say 50%. so now you have to put an 8 and a 12 in the same cell in the fuel table to go from 12 AFR to 13 AFR thats .25 AFR per raw number. These numbers are just for demonstration purposes and probably won't work direclty but it illustrates the idea.

Another important table to get right is the idle% v target table, this table tells the iac motor its starting point to work from at each rpm as that rpm becomes an idle target. Best way i've found so far to work this out is to change your target rpm as close as possible to the tuning points in the table and then modify the % in the table until the engine idles close to the current idle target, this way you should need the least feedback + or - to get back to a stable idle. I have also found that the dieing after decel can be because you are entering the idle condition while still decelerating and the iac is trying to bring the idle down but the engine is keeping the rpms up, this causes the iac to go to its max feedback value (as far away from your % set in the above table) as you allow it to with the idle FB max and min values. Then when you push in the clutch the motor dies cause the iac can't react quickly enough. Keeping your feedback values lower rather than higher helps as well as making sure your parameters that signify the ecu to "idle" the engine (i.e. when below a certain TPS setting and below idle max and above idle min) are as close as you can get them




Modified by racerxadam at 12:50 AM 3/26/2004

racerxadam

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as for ignition remember most take .75 degrees out per psi. start out w/ say 1.0 degrees per psi so you have some room for improvement....
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I always get confused when people mention this because hondas don't comp with boost tables from the factory, do you mean .75/psi as you follow an rmp column from low to high load? That would make sense, to me anyway.

BodyKits NW

I finally got my EMS and Single Channel Wideband the other day. I must say even before I got the EMS a lot of those people listed have been very helpful and patient!

JDogg

im with mase on the sharing calibrations..... i normally dont give out my cals unless the setup is damn close. if its not i can usualy build one from scratch that will be pretty close.

i boost comp everything, its so much easier. aem should document it and everyone needs to use it......

muckman.. a good fuel map (assuming its done the norma 3d way) looks like the maps in the base cals. make em pretty and smooth. there should be no sharp drops or dips in the maps.

doing general instructions is pretty impossible wtih the ems, it does so much stuff. if anyone has any questions feel free to hit me up on IM. during the week im almost always at my computer.

racerxadam

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its definately neat, I especially like the concept of tuning one boost load row and using the fact the VE doesn't change much from one boost level to another so you can copy that load row up and use boost comp to add fuel, instead of tuning all different boost levels.

JDogg

yeah, deffinatly......... but remember, if you go much over 30psi you will have to add fuel in the fuel map.

hell i even boost comp NA cars

shermanyang

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by legendboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well here is the list if anybody wants to include themselves from here

AIM SN ----- HT SN
prophetx2 ----- prophet
racerxadam ----- racerxadam
nateman46 ----- highbrid
VacillyPetrovich ----- integra-modder
EricCho at Work ----- echo999
falconGSR ----- falc0n
evohybrid ----- [evo]Hybrid
luisjro ----- ljrlude01
BocaJuniors18 ----- MouhadIb
Speedworks801 ----- Speedworks801
Tinker219 ----- Tinker219
tygsr ----- tygsr
Muckman ----- MuckmanGSR
Billobng ----- MilanoRedLST
mskibbz ----- mskibbz
slowsi00-----slowsi00
WadZii22---Jdogg
legendboyHT---legendboy</TD></TR></TABLE>


add me on the list...although i don't have AIM(wife won't allow it)

H-T name is: shermanyang

i'm totally new to this EMS thingy but i'm slowly learning my way around things. got a the wide band hooked up and everything but my EMS is giving me problems...Muckman and 9psiTurboSi are helping me get through it.

93LSivic

Might as well put me on that list also. I remember a while back there was one floating around back around a year ago.

BANZAI

Could you add me if Possible?

Rtype16

I didn't want to do this, but add me too. Maybe I can help most of you guys out. rtype16

ladysman

Add me as well since I starting to use this system.
AIM = Dean Trenton