eventually im gonna get the hondata. since im obd-1 i can get the s200 with boost for 500 or less. then im good. but for now, i cant do it.

 

what would happen if you keep the check valves on? I have my check valves on at 6-7psi with the hack. I have stock injectors with FMU 12:1 and inline. I use to have a very overly rich problem where it won't pull cause the A/F was at 10:1...so i installed the V-AFC and leaned it out -10% from 2000-4500rpm and -12% from 5000-8000rpm...pulled great, but just wondering how if keeping the check valves on would limit the power potential?

 

ok so you are going to tell me that getting an afc is better than an engine management. i just think it is a waste getting piggy backs when you have so much money invested in your projects. if you are going to do something do it right. thats right i forgot all the fast cars have afcs.

 

im going to totally agree. The only reason this hack was so great for me is i already had the afc and the injectors were free.

I dont recomend going out and spending a ton of money on this...it was ment to be cheap and better then a fmu.

Im all about playing around with the new boost chips that are starting to come up..there is alot of neat fuel systems coming out now.

cheers,
liam

 

I lived in Arvada..right next to westminster. If i recall i was close to 86 and wadsworth (right next to the loop if you were around then).

At 8psi you are going to be pushing it...but I think you will be ok if you run a little higher then normal fuel pressure. You can always try to get ahold of some 450cc. When i lived there i was running 12psi daily on 91 pump gas and loving it.

Just raise the boost up slowly

liam

 

yea, i lused to live in westminster at about 72nd & sheridan! the loop ws cool just cause it was the only thing to do in westy. but now the westy cops are all ghey about it so it's dead.

yea, i have an AEM rising rate FPR. so i can bump up the fuel pressure a but w/o straining the fuel pump. i found a good deal on these RC 310's from a bud of mine, so thats why im using them. i didnt go with the 450's cause i've heard that they are too big for the factory honda ecu to idle with.

 

they idle...just not stock like. Its well worth it tho...boost is fun! How is colorado? I just moved away from there like a year ago...im surprised i didnt see you around.

liam

 

it's been good. there's a link to the local forum in my sig. thats where all my club clash & racing buds are.

in club clash we've been in 4nd place the last 2 years. but we're totally restructuring the club this year, & encompassing almost all the import clubs. so whe should eb in 2nd or first this year...with our main goal of destroying Corvette Connection.

did you ever know Tobi Connell?

so where do you live now?

 

Im in sunny san diego. Im gonna move this into private chat tho..so we dont turn into post hogs!

liam

 

This is not the make a million horsepower for a sum of money approaching the national debt thread, this is a thread on cheap, reliable fuel controls for broke *** people who only want low boost because they couldn't afford to build a high dollar sleeved and forged engine anyway. ****, dude, do I pop into a thread about MSD 6AL's and shoot off at the mouth about how it's only $22.5K for a plasma ignition with ion sense abilities like used in F1, why don't you foolios get serious and quit wasting time?

I never said an AFC was better than an "engine management." I would not spend as much money as an AFC commands, it's only slightly less stupid than dropping a grip on Hondata or an EMS when you are in my shoes with my budget. I did better than an AFC for cheaper.

Describe the technical problems you see with voltage manipulation of MAP signal for low boost forced induction, instead of bandying about generalisms like "hack" and "piggyback" like they mean anything of substance. The fact of the matter is, the Honda ECU, even after it's lost map resolution from having said maps stretched out cover pressures up to 10-11 psi over atmospheric, still has higher resolution and/or more precise injector and ignition control than Electromotive, DFI, and a few others.

 

so you mean to tell me that you spend mad money on your setup and you cant save up another 1000 for an ems. yeah it might take longer, but you know what the car will run alot better. i think it is worth it.

 

yea...i think thats everybodies plans..but you cant beat this "hack" until you have the money. And for alot of people all they want is 6psi..like all the jackson racing users in this world. This is perfect for them.

liam

 

i agree if thats all you are looking for.

 

i agree if thats all you are looking for.


meh..another good thing about the hack..is you can get a better understanding of how all of this works and learn somthing, instead of plugging in a zdyne or whatever and driving down the road with no clue as to whats going on..

i could get a hondata but that stuff is just to high..

 

haha...obd-1 owns you.


for us cool obd-1 guys, a hondata s200 w/ boost is less than 5 bills

 

But what if we like the discoteque like appearance of the SAFC?

 

Where did you get that I spent mad money from my post? Cars are cheaper than you think, bro, it's knowledge that people pay for. I keep trying to offer you some free, but if you can't pay attention without me having your credit card number then PM it to me.

What is saving up another thousand for an EMS going to do anything for me? It will not make my car run "alot better." An EMS, or Zdyne, or Hondata would not make a $5 difference in how my car runs. I spent less than an AFC. The system I run is to an AFC boost hack what DOHC VTEC is to a ZC... simple, elegant, and confusing to the uninitiated.

I asked for specific technical criticisms from you, not more irrelevant bullshit about how money is a direct substitute for knowledge, with no supporting reasons/facts/arguments for why an aftermarket engine management system is superior. Stop. Take a deep breath. Forget everything you ASSume to be obvious. Why is an aftermarket standalone better than an AFC and OEM ECU on the basic level of accurate fuel and ignition control? Why do you think these things, and can you prove them?



[Modified by J. Davis, 1:59 AM 3/12/2003]

 

I couldn't have put that into words that well

 

WIll this hack work on RC 440cc Saturated Injectors? or do I need peak and hold injectors with resistor box?

 

yeah but you cant tune that yourself...... got to go to hondata place..... an extra 4 bills if you want to tune yourself.....

 

are there any dyno places that cant do it??? well, there arent any here.

 

Killer thread... this is exactly what ive been lokking for, its a wonder i havent heard of this before. Im in the process of peicing a kit together. i will be running a y8 with a dsm tdo4. I just purchased RC 310's thinking id have to get fmu, missing link etc etc. so im happy that i can get away with just the vafc i have in my car now.
OK first of all are 310's big enough to run this hack? the wastegate is already set to 8 psi and i hope to run 10 until i can get a MAP to take >10. ive heard that someone blew their motor runnin 310's like this.
Also, i have an old dial style HKS AFR that i cant get rid of. teh it hit me..ill run both the vafc and AFR. Then i wont have to pull back so far on the vafc and gat a little bit of tuning ability back. you could probably find the afr for cheap as its the old style, older than the Super AFR.
Now, i just had a further thought. the AFR has a power, ground signal in and out. could i wire this after the ecu reads the map signal so i can richen it back up and run the 310's?
Crap..this whole hack thing has been keeping me up at night thinking about it and how i can manipulate it to suit my application


[Modified by tai93si, 6:07 PM 4/4/2003]

 

This may sound like a dumb question. I hear many people talking about using dsm injectors, do they just plug right up or do you have to do something to make them work?

 

ya.. read the entire thread, you need the resistor box.

 

310s arent going to be large enough for 8-10psi. You really need 450cc. With the hack the missing link and fmu get the ax. Sell those and get some 450cc and a afc and your good to go!

liam