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Old 03-05-2013, 05:05 AM
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Has anyone used gear corrections with ignition timing to lower power in the lower gears for traction?

Car makes 400whp on the waste gate (15lbs) and I don't wanna go smaller because I lose response and its harder to keep boost consistent up top with smaller springs
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Quick question sir, are you still running a 2 bolt 38mm wastegate sir? If so, do you experience any boost creep with your setup? I know that you have a larger turbo than mine and I was just wondering if you have any problems keeping boost steady with the 2 bolt 38mm wastegate? I am pretty sure what everyone is telling me is correct. I am running little boost and conservative timing on my very efficient turbo and that is why I am experiencing boost creep. I am also running a ram horn manifold and a 2 bolt 38mm wastegate and I am trying to gain knowledge for myself. Thanks in advance and your input is greatly appreciated sir. Sorry for the thread jack sir.
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Quick question sir, are you still running a 2 bolt 38mm wastegate sir? If so, do you experience any boost creep with your setup? I know that you have a larger turbo than mine and I was just wondering if you have any problems keeping boost steady with the 2 bolt 38mm wastegate? I am pretty sure what everyone is telling me is correct. I am running little boost and conservative timing on my very efficient turbo and that is why I am experiencing boost creep. I am also running a ram horn manifold and a 2 bolt 38mm wastegate and I am trying to gain knowledge for myself. Thanks in advance and your input is greatly appreciated sir. Sorry for the thread jack sir.
No I dont. I taper my boost controller duty cycle down a bit up top to keep it flat

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Thanks for the input sir.
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Looks like your injector are maxed out.
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Originally Posted by lsturbo33
Looks like your injector are maxed out.
A little bit
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Default Re: Gear corrected ignition timing

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I taper my boost controller duty cycle down a bit up top to keep it flat
Oh that must be nice... lol

I dont understand why you are against boost by gear when you clearly have ebc duty left. You could run a smaller wg spring allowing less boost in lower gears and still run 28psi in the higher gears, just with a higher ebc duty. Its the best of both worlds. Believe me you have alot more boost range left than you realize. I have a 5-30psi range with my setup.
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Oh that must be nice... lol

I dont understand why you are against boost by gear when you clearly have ebc duty left. You could run a smaller wg spring allowing less boost in lower gears and still run 28psi in the higher gears, just with a higher ebc duty. Its the best of both worlds. Believe me you have alot more boost range left than you realize. I have a 5-30psi range with my setup.
I've tryed it with a 7lbs spring and it hooks in 1st rolling into it and 2nd no problem but the boost comes on slow and builds slow up top as small springs do. I spent days tuning trying to get it as good as it can be. Especially up top it gets very inconsistent
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Make sure the ebc duty is 100% under the boost target. If you are running a static duty to make x boost the entire time, thats not spooling as fast as it can.
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Make sure the ebc duty is 100% under the boost target. If you are running a static duty to make x boost the entire time, thats not spooling as fast as it can.
Yes fast spool is at 100%. It just doesnt work as well.
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Is the solenoid acting on the top wg port? Or is just on the side wg port and top is open.
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You can try a 4 port solenoid that will switch all boost reference from the bottom wg port to the top wg port. That will force 100% of the boost pressure to keep the wg shut.

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Default Re: Gear corrected ignition timing

I didnt use the gear ignition correction to lower power in the lower gears but my tuner pulled timing out in 3-4 gear initially for the first couple passes with the car so we could read plugs and check for detonation with a real load on the motor. Picked up quite a bit of mph when I put the 2 degrees back into it in 3-4 gear. It will definatly reduce power and should help with traction
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Default Re: Gear corrected ignition timing

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I didnt use the gear ignition correction to lower power in the lower gears but my tuner pulled timing out in 3-4 gear initially for the first couple passes with the car so we could read plugs and check for detonation with a real load on the motor. Picked up quite a bit of mph when I put the 2 degrees back into it in 3-4 gear. It will definatly reduce power and should help with traction
Did you ever find out why your car blew up?
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Pretty sure boost spiked to 33 or 34 pounds and just blew it apart. thats 700whp on my turbo and stock sleeves no likey
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