I dont think they are limiting it to psi, but power. A rule of thumb, dont know what tony1 follows, is 100/cylinder on pump gas. So no more than 400whp on pump gas is good rule to follow.

art

 

The more power you put out the more likely you are likely to encounter detonation (knocking, pinging, premature ignition of the compressed fuel-air mixture). So to counter this, you increase your octane amount which helps combat detonation. There is also a thing called mean specific brake consumption, this is basically is the threshold of how much power your motor can make safely using a certain octane fuel. Usually after around 15-18 psi (the 350-400whp range typically) a lot of guys use higher octane fuel. Another good thing about high octane is you can add a little more timing which yields a bit more power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GudeH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very nice

I do have a question though, on my next dyno tuning session i will be doing the same thing that you did, pump gas to around 15psi then c16 for 23+ish psi. My question is, how did you go about switching the gas? Did you drain the pump gas completely then fill up with the race fuel at the dyno? I also assume you are using 2 different hondata chips for each octane fuel, correct? Thanks for the help.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We completely drained the gas tank out. Tony connected two wires on the main relay that allowed the fuel pump to keep pumping and we pulled it off the fuel feed line. Very simple to do. And yes, we made two different hondata chips, one for pump gas and one for race gas.

I think i could've easily hit 500whp with the setup as i have it now with a few more pounds of boost, but in the very beginning of this buildup, my goal was 450whp and once i hit that goal, i told tony that was good enough. Remember guys, i had to drive home 10 hours in this car too now. BUt now that i think about it, i should've just hit 500whp for giggles and turn it down a bit.

Thanks for all the compliments!!!

 

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Yeah, ask paul why we stopped there. That's a terrible feeling, knowing your car has alot more in it, but you don't trust your rods... </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not that i didn't trust eagle rods. I just didn't want to push them to their limits. I do trust eagle rods, just to a certain extent Eagle rods are a good bang for the buck but if i had a chance to do it again, eagle rods would definately be out. Paul

 

Hey! u changed ur name! congrats on the #'s Paul. I am sorry I didn't get to talk to u more. I had school and then work so I couldn't come hang out and then at the races I am always running around with too many agendas. I came back from talking to those Z06 guys and everyone was gone, did u end up getting the AC tensioner from steve? btw u didn't have to thank me, i didn't do anything haha. Hope u had fun though while u were here you got to come out to the meet on a good night.

hope ur happy w/ the turbo too , you would probably be maxing out the 60-1 right at 24-26lbs making the same power. but the SC61 still has 10 more lbs of boost left in it buwahahah you could easily make 500 if ya wanted too.

 

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We completely drained the gas tank out. Tony connected two wires on the main relay that allowed the fuel pump to keep pumping and we pulled it off the fuel feed line. Very simple to do. And yes, we made two different hondata chips, one for pump gas and one for race gas.
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no worries about the pump running dry and overheating? i thought the pumps depend on the gas for lubrication..

 

Well, u run it until the gas starts to spurt. Not completely dry but my gas light came on. Paul

 

thats awesome numbers and one hell of a drive

 

Nice numbers. I thought I would throw this out there about the rods though. I dont/didnt really trust them but a week or so back Adam at AMS made 630+whp on a set of eagles. It was a DSM application but still, non of us would have ever thought they would have held up. His car is the little white EvoII that is new in the street class.

jeff

 

nice #s, glad to hear your set-up is running well

I'm looking forward to visiting Jotech once I move to TX and have my set-up ready to go.

 

congrat on the numbers. hoping my numbers will be like that when i get my block finish with.

so how's the lag?

 

Congrats on the accomplishment (to all involved). The drive back must have been fun! Crusing, thinking about how much was accomplished. Tuning is the icing on the cake.

BTW, Im making the trip to Dallas in Late July-Early August to finish my project. I plan on staying a week or so since my brother lives in Frisco. Definitely looking forward to it!!!!

 

Very nice I havent seen this thread yet. God everytime I hear Tony talk about the Eagles I cringe (thanks man ) but I also trust them to a certain extent. What is the AR on the hotside and what compressor are you using. Do you all thin there was anyway to pull off 400 on the pump. Bump for the God of Tuning and your killer setup man.

 

This one was a .63 ar with a stage 5 wheel and .60 (E) compressor housing. This car was lacking a little in the exhaust department. I tuned another with an almost identical setup a couple weeks ago with full 3" exhaust and it made 414whp at 13psi on pump gas. So to answer your question, yes

 

niceeee . . . see you soon man!

 

hmm, seems theres a lot of histeria about the eagles. i guess they could and will give out like all things but there also seems to be a lot of ppl running them successfully. gsrev put 535 on his eagles, viren put some large number down, the guy from cali put down 627 whp w/ team denali . there are many more but this is strictly off the top of my head. these numbers sound good to me. so far ive put down 0whp @ 0rpm.

 

Yes tony, i am lacking a little in the exhaust department but...........you gotta sacrifice a little for a/c and not a loud *** exhaust on the highway.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rOby &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm, seems theres a lot of histeria about the eagles. i guess they could and will give out like all things but there also seems to be a lot of ppl running them successfully. gsrev put 535 on his eagles, viren put some large number down, the guy from cali put down 627 whp w/ team denali . there are many more but this is strictly off the top of my head. these numbers sound good to me. so far ive put down 0whp @ 0rpm. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Just make sure you dont use the ARP 2000 that come with them. Upgrade them to ARP 2020 I think.

 

Art, whats wrong with the studs they come with? I have no problems.

 

great #'s!! good luck the eagles make me nervous though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bloodline &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice numbers. I thought I would throw this out there about the rods though. I dont/didnt really trust them but a week or so back Adam at AMS made 630+whp on a set of eagles. It was a DSM application but still, non of us would have ever thought they would have held up. His car is the little white EvoII that is new in the street class.

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that evo is the nastiest awd car i have seen in a long time. i saw the ams cars and i have to say those guys got their dsm **** together. the 5 cars they had there are the 1st 5 dsms i have ver seen that make any power that didnt break the whloe event. the awd lancer went 144trap also. that was just sick in awd!!

keep one thing in mind about the eagles too. domestics make 100+ whp on them too. they are not the same rod as a honda rod and the dsm rod probably isnt either. since the dsm is factory turbo eagle most likely beefoed up the rod and bolts for that application.

 

GOD THEY CAN TAKE POWER ! ! ! Poeple need to get drop the hoax that they wont stand up to anything. OBVIOUSLY they have smaller tapered rod bolts, but hey looks like everyday people are putting out good #s with them and or has heard good things. I heard of Crowers snapping. . . yes next time I have a engine built I might not use them just for a piece of mind. I'm just tired of everyone thinking they are gonna give if they see higher than 300whp. Whew I'm done

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GOD THEY CAN TAKE POWER ! ! ! People need to get drop the hoax that they wont stand up to anything. OBVIOUSLY they have smaller tapered rod bolts, but hey looks like everyday people are putting out good #s with them and or has heard good things. I heard of Crowers snapping. . . yes next time I have a engine built I might not use them just for a piece of mind. I'm just tired of everyone thinking they are gonna give if they see higher than 300whp. Whew I'm done </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree and disagree w/ u anthony. We have all seen the eagle's hold high hp. So we know the rod itself is strong. Personally I think its a matter of longevity. out of the three people i know running eagle's, 2 have had rod bolts stretch and the 3rd had his actual rods stretch. No names and none of these guys were running very high hp levels. im talking 200-350. the way i see it, why risk it when it will cost so much more in the long run?

 

once again direp makes a good point...

 

2 years ago i was 300whp dayli
last year i was at 385whp dayli hard beaten18-20psi
now i put down more then 400whp every day 18-22psi
now going for 500whp
i stll use eagle rods whit stock arp's whit succes