faster spool secrets
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faster spool secrets
Ive got an LS-T $12000 worth of rebuild in it and I have a T04R turbo on it and its a street car. My redline is at 9k but i was wondering what i can do for faster spool. Im NOT lookin for full boost by 4k at all im just lookin to have the fastest spool i can with that turbo
thanks
john
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john
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Re: faster spool secrets (yisoulja)
secrets, huh? well just promise not to tell anyone, OK???
-bigger or no exhaust
-MBC at least
-correctly sized pipes and IC to minimize internal volume (ie. less is more) = faster response
-really open intake. short and sweet
-rev it hard then dump the clutch fo the hunnies Yo!!!
-bigger or no exhaust
-MBC at least
-correctly sized pipes and IC to minimize internal volume (ie. less is more) = faster response
-really open intake. short and sweet
-rev it hard then dump the clutch fo the hunnies Yo!!!
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Re: faster spool secrets (Kack)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kack »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what does the Header Wrap and Boost Controller do to help spool up? The Boost controller just limits the boost.
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... lemme take a crack at this...
header wrap helps the manifold retain heat. hotter gasses = move faster
people wrap the dp as well up till the cat.
boost controller... mbc's are good at holding boost from my experience than ebc's. ebc's have a solenoid that manipulates vaccuum to help reach max boost sooner.
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... lemme take a crack at this...
header wrap helps the manifold retain heat. hotter gasses = move faster
people wrap the dp as well up till the cat.
boost controller... mbc's are good at holding boost from my experience than ebc's. ebc's have a solenoid that manipulates vaccuum to help reach max boost sooner.
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The more you englarge the head ports the more bottom end you kill off, next...
Seriously, with that much money invested....your engine should handle a 50 shot of n2o just fine. Spray and pray baby. A 50 shot will also give a hefty increase on the dyno for a turbo motor.
Seriously, with that much money invested....your engine should handle a 50 shot of n2o just fine. Spray and pray baby. A 50 shot will also give a hefty increase on the dyno for a turbo motor.
What is this crap?
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Re: faster spool secrets (Pelican)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pelican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">retard the timing and up the fuel
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best advice so far!
run 10.5:1 - 11:1 and pull 1.5-2 degrees of timing (or more) from 0-6psi or so and watch her spooooooool right quick.
basically you're burning fuel later so it increases exhaust pressure before the turbo and thats what makes a turbo spool.
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best advice so far!
run 10.5:1 - 11:1 and pull 1.5-2 degrees of timing (or more) from 0-6psi or so and watch her spooooooool right quick.
basically you're burning fuel later so it increases exhaust pressure before the turbo and thats what makes a turbo spool.
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Re: faster spool secrets (falconGSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by falconGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
best advice so far!
run 10.5:1 - 11:1 and pull 1.5-2 degrees of timing (or more) from 0-6psi or so and watch her spooooooool right quick.
basically you're burning fuel later so it increases exhaust pressure before the turbo and thats what makes a turbo spool.
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Actually, from what i've seen and been told by very reputable tuners, this only works when there is no load on the motor. It works on a 2 step, but not on the dyno. I've always had best luck with more timing and less fuel until it the boost comes up...
best advice so far!
run 10.5:1 - 11:1 and pull 1.5-2 degrees of timing (or more) from 0-6psi or so and watch her spooooooool right quick.
basically you're burning fuel later so it increases exhaust pressure before the turbo and thats what makes a turbo spool.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, from what i've seen and been told by very reputable tuners, this only works when there is no load on the motor. It works on a 2 step, but not on the dyno. I've always had best luck with more timing and less fuel until it the boost comes up...
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Re: faster spool secrets (falconGSR)
Naws, really small turbine housing, high compression. ceramic coated downpipe, header, turbine housing with heat wrap. Short vac lines, more displacement, ball bearing turbocharger...
all kinds of things can do it!
all kinds of things can do it!
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Re: (ek9vboi)
I guess nobody noticed the size of his turbo. T04R is kinda big for an LS. What is the size of your ex housing, DP and exhaust? What is your compression? Is the w/g open or closed. Answer those questions and you will probably get better replies
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Re: (Dee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess nobody noticed the size of his turbo. T04R is kinda big for an LS. What is the size of your ex housing, DP and exhaust? What is your compression? Is the w/g open or closed. Answer those questions and you will probably get better replies </TD></TR></TABLE>
3 inches from the turbo back, compression is 9.6:1 84.5 mm, open wg
</TD></TR></TABLE>3 inches from the turbo back, compression is 9.6:1 84.5 mm, open wg
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What exhaust housing? If you went larger than T4 O trim AR.58 that will be the source of your problems. T3 stage V AR.63 would work nice for a 9k rpm setup but it's kind of small for a T04R(62-1 blade) compressor. What head/cams are you using to rev to 9k rpm?
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Re: (Dee)
from what i heard.. smaller intercooler piping can help spool... but what do i kno.. its jus a guess...if you can invest 12000 into ur car... a guaranteed answer would be to invest in a Garrett GT30 or SC61.
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Re: (Lost Type R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people wrap the dp as well up till the cat. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't want to do that, it will increase the lag. Wrapping the manifold is good, not the downpipe. People who wrap the downpipe don't know **** about how turbo works.
You don't want to do that, it will increase the lag. Wrapping the manifold is good, not the downpipe. People who wrap the downpipe don't know **** about how turbo works.
What is this crap?
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Re: faster spool secrets (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually, from what i've seen and been told by very reputable tuners, this only works when there is no load on the motor. It works on a 2 step, but not on the dyno. I've always had best luck with more timing and less fuel until it the boost comes up...</TD></TR></TABLE>
tony my spool time slowed down when i went from 11:1 and 2 degrees of retard to 12.5:1 and 0.6 degrees of retard. this also fixed my boost spiking/creeping.
please no jokes about how retarded i used to be.
Actually, from what i've seen and been told by very reputable tuners, this only works when there is no load on the motor. It works on a 2 step, but not on the dyno. I've always had best luck with more timing and less fuel until it the boost comes up...</TD></TR></TABLE>
tony my spool time slowed down when i went from 11:1 and 2 degrees of retard to 12.5:1 and 0.6 degrees of retard. this also fixed my boost spiking/creeping.
please no jokes about how retarded i used to be.
