Engine build for Turbo. Sound good?
06-17-2005, 09:42 AM
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Engine build for Turbo. Sound good?
Does this sound good like a good start for a B16?
CP Pistons 81 or 81.5 mm low compression which will be like 9.0:1.
Eagle H rods
OEM Bearings
ARP head bolts
ARP rod bolts
ARP endcap/main bolts
OEM Headgasket
T3/T4 at 10 psi - using stock injectors/fuel pump - without intercooler for a while.
Leaving the head alone for the time being.
CP Pistons 81 or 81.5 mm low compression which will be like 9.0:1.
Eagle H rods
OEM Bearings
ARP head bolts
ARP rod bolts
ARP endcap/main bolts
OEM Headgasket
T3/T4 at 10 psi - using stock injectors/fuel pump - without intercooler for a while.
Leaving the head alone for the time being.
06-17-2005, 09:45 AM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (doublejz)
why would you want to invest that much money into the bottom end and not anything to match the fuel?
06-17-2005, 10:00 AM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (doublejz)
If you dont plan on boosting it right away sure it looks great. If you plan on boosting right after the build then no, it looks like ****. Stock injectors and fuel pump? and no intercooler? You are just looking for trouble.
06-17-2005, 11:29 AM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (ITR981002)
i don't plan on boosting until august-ish. just want to do the bottom end right so i dont have to rebuild it again then. I would only run 10psi on the stock injectors. I plan on going higher just dont want blow it from not having enough fuel while running stock injectors and pump.
06-17-2005, 11:49 AM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (doublejz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublejz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I would only run 10psi on the stock injectors. I plan on going higher just dont want blow it from not having enough fuel while running stock injectors and pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>
10 PSI on stock injectors....their is NO WAY to do that safely. Like everyone is saying get some fuel managment otherwise you'll blow your BUILT engine
10 PSI on stock injectors....their is NO WAY to do that safely. Like everyone is saying get some fuel managment otherwise you'll blow your BUILT engine
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06-17-2005, 12:10 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (adseguy)
NO WAY DUDE !!!! 
i wouldnt even drive my car with anything lower than 310 forget about boosting it.... the second the car see's 1lb and there is a shortage of fuel there goes your entire investment... is it really worth it ?!?! wait a month if u need to gather the funds but do it right.... i have 310's and i'll sell them to you dirt cheap at least u can drive it around.. i dont want to sell them but for what u are doing.. u are better off with giving it a chance with 310's.... i would hate to see a fellow h-t member fail.
hondata / uberdata / neptune / crome ??? none of these ?? then i woudnt boost... and pleae dont use FMU for 10 lbs..... no upgraded fuel pump.. ?? how are you gonna even try to support 10 lbs.. ??? and no intercoller... this def. cant be healthy...
please explain ure logic behind this... i mean we all know $$$$$ doesnt grow on tree's at least for most of us.. but if your gonna do it... do it right.... because if not you end up paying double what you spent on your initial investment... we all know the excitment of going turbo.. but take it from someone who has had alot of probelms with block / turbo / injectors / fuelpump / ENGINE MANAGMENT (caps for PITA) / custom fabrication for everything to fit correctly....
dont set a date for when u want it running.... just work at it and do it the right way the first time around... otherwise you will never get around to having the correct set up with all the components.
i wouldnt even drive my car with anything lower than 310 forget about boosting it.... the second the car see's 1lb and there is a shortage of fuel there goes your entire investment... is it really worth it ?!?! wait a month if u need to gather the funds but do it right.... i have 310's and i'll sell them to you dirt cheap at least u can drive it around.. i dont want to sell them but for what u are doing.. u are better off with giving it a chance with 310's.... i would hate to see a fellow h-t member fail.
hondata / uberdata / neptune / crome ??? none of these ?? then i woudnt boost... and pleae dont use FMU for 10 lbs..... no upgraded fuel pump.. ?? how are you gonna even try to support 10 lbs.. ??? and no intercoller... this def. cant be healthy...
please explain ure logic behind this... i mean we all know $$$$$ doesnt grow on tree's at least for most of us.. but if your gonna do it... do it right.... because if not you end up paying double what you spent on your initial investment... we all know the excitment of going turbo.. but take it from someone who has had alot of probelms with block / turbo / injectors / fuelpump / ENGINE MANAGMENT (caps for PITA) / custom fabrication for everything to fit correctly....
dont set a date for when u want it running.... just work at it and do it the right way the first time around... otherwise you will never get around to having the correct set up with all the components.
06-17-2005, 12:39 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (EK_GSR)
OR you could just build the engine to your specs...and get everything you need then put it all together..thats my im doing
06-17-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (EK_GSR)
OR you could just build the engine to your specs...and get everything you need then put it all together..thats what im doing
06-17-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (H22civatch)
i wouldnt do that either... you still wont be able to purchase Intercooler / Injectors / and managment.
machine shop will charge how much 3oo to put it all together including machine work... seriously... to save 300 bucks you would rather swet over it... i say you boost the stock b16...
stock b16 can take up to 400 hp... boost the 10lbs with a better fuel pump, bigger injectors, and a good managment system, and a good tune.... just my .02 ... im sorry if i come off like a hard *** ... but i just dont want to see other people go through what i went through.. no car for 6 months etc... they have killer stock b16's...
there is no feasable way to take stock injectors up to 10 lbs on a t3/t4 or anyother turbo for that matter. the only stock item that can be used up to say 450 hp... is the fuel rail.... and fuel lines. other than that everything must go......
machine shop will charge how much 3oo to put it all together including machine work... seriously... to save 300 bucks you would rather swet over it... i say you boost the stock b16...
stock b16 can take up to 400 hp... boost the 10lbs with a better fuel pump, bigger injectors, and a good managment system, and a good tune.... just my .02 ... im sorry if i come off like a hard *** ... but i just dont want to see other people go through what i went through.. no car for 6 months etc... they have killer stock b16's...
there is no feasable way to take stock injectors up to 10 lbs on a t3/t4 or anyother turbo for that matter. the only stock item that can be used up to say 450 hp... is the fuel rail.... and fuel lines. other than that everything must go......
06-17-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (doublejz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublejz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't plan on boosting until august-ish. just want to do the bottom end right so i dont have to rebuild it again then. I would only run 10psi on the stock injectors. I plan on going higher just dont want blow it from not having enough fuel while running stock injectors and pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Then what do you do when you blow your motor filled with good components and have to rebuild it anyways?
Then what do you do when you blow your motor filled with good components and have to rebuild it anyways?
06-17-2005, 07:30 PM
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Re: Engine build for Turbo. Sound good? (jdmhonda)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmhonda »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn, why does everybody like low compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>
damn, why do you have such a raging hard on for high compression?
As the owner of a 10.5:1 turbo car it ain't anything special. 9:1 isn't too low, his low end isn't going to be shitty because he isn't running super high compression, and most importantly he can run more boost and power on pump gas than we can.
And for the record, I can't wait untill my 8.5:1 wiseco's get here.
damn, why do you have such a raging hard on for high compression?
As the owner of a 10.5:1 turbo car it ain't anything special. 9:1 isn't too low, his low end isn't going to be shitty because he isn't running super high compression, and most importantly he can run more boost and power on pump gas than we can.
And for the record, I can't wait untill my 8.5:1 wiseco's get here.
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I'd suggest you just buy some oil, drive along your favorite street, and dump it as you go...while setting fire to some $100 bills. It'll save you lots of time rather than do it the hard way.
First, 240cc injectors won't be enough for 1/3 of that, second, no IC = superheated intake temps, which means extreme chance for detonation. No fuel + no IC = 4th of july in the cylinders. I don't care what the pistons or rods are made from, their tops can still melt and bearings can still spin.
You can do almost any job to make the $50 in a day you'd need for used DSM 440cc's. Better yet, boost the stock internals, and the $500 you save can buy you uberdata (free
), a wideband o2, and a cheap johnnyracecar IC, and someone's time to lightly tune it. As for 400whp on a b16 - that's assuming close to the ~18psi limit people stop at with stock sleeves. Unless its a dedicated track car, look up the definition for reliability
First, 240cc injectors won't be enough for 1/3 of that, second, no IC = superheated intake temps, which means extreme chance for detonation. No fuel + no IC = 4th of july in the cylinders. I don't care what the pistons or rods are made from, their tops can still melt and bearings can still spin.
You can do almost any job to make the $50 in a day you'd need for used DSM 440cc's. Better yet, boost the stock internals, and the $500 you save can buy you uberdata (free
), a wideband o2, and a cheap johnnyracecar IC, and someone's time to lightly tune it. As for 400whp on a b16 - that's assuming close to the ~18psi limit people stop at with stock sleeves. Unless its a dedicated track car, look up the definition for reliability
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