<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90 integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its the turbo. I had that happen to me 2 times last yr. i mean the car at idle will fill up the whole block within 10sec. of running.

tons of white smoke and oil everywhere=turbo.

take the turbo out and look at the turbine side. check your ic piping. is there oil?? i pulled like 2qrts out of the second car. and half a qrt. on the first car.</TD></TR></TABLE>im not 100% sure but i thought he said there was no charge piping on the car which kind of eliminates the turbo from being the culprit

 

yes i disconected the turbo piping because i know for a fact the turbo needs to be rebuilt. there is a large amount of slop and play in the turbo. so to eliminate it as a possibility i kept the intake disconected from the pressure side of the turbo. i will bet the turbo is contributing some to the smoke. however, since the oil is getting into the combustion chamber, well before the exhaust system, the turbo is a moot point.
haha, the studs are missing from the removal of the head. ARP bolts like to stick to the studs from time to time. those three extracted the entire studs when i removed the head.
i ordered a nice valve spring compressor and will take a look at the valve seals close up whenever it arives. i'm going to pull the block sunday and get it back on an engine stand.
since the general consensuses is that the rings are to blame i will ask which are the best rings to go with. since i recomended/installed these ring i am to blame and will replace them at my own expence. i'm not a cheapscate i want the best rings for this i can get. arias? oem honda? or anything else?
i thank you all for your help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confidance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes i disconected the turbo piping because i know for a fact the turbo needs to be rebuilt. there is a large amount of slop and play in the turbo. so to eliminate it as a possibility i kept the intake disconected from the pressure side of the turbo. i will bet the turbo is contributing some to the smoke. however, since the oil is getting into the combustion chamber, well before the exhaust system, the turbo is a moot point.
haha, the studs are missing from the removal of the head. ARP bolts like to stick to the studs from time to time. those three extracted the entire studs when i removed the head.
i ordered a nice valve spring compressor and will take a look at the valve seals close up whenever it arives. i'm going to pull the block sunday and get it back on an engine stand.
since the general consensuses is that the rings are to blame i will ask which are the best rings to go with. since i recomended/installed these ring i am to blame and will replace them at my own expence. i'm not a cheapscate i want the best rings for this i can get. arias? oem honda? or anything else?
i thank you all for your help</TD></TR></TABLE>id get arias rings if i was you...they will have the correct spacer for the bottom ring set

 

just an fyi al, when the motor was built earl had some problems with the arias rings binding up a little.. He ended up ordering some cp rings for it and they solved the problem..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90 integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its the turbo. I had that happen to me 2 times last yr. i mean the car at idle will fill up the whole block within 10sec. of running.

tons of white smoke and oil everywhere=turbo.

take the turbo out and look at the turbine side. check your ic piping. is there oil?? i pulled like 2qrts out of the second car. and half a qrt. on the first car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

As stated above, there is oil in the combustion chambers, so this rules out the turbo being the problem. The turbo could be adding to the problem if there were problems with its seals, but the majority of the smoke must be comming from the rings. Also, that is alot of smoke for it to be valve seals.

 

hey i don't know if i miss this as i read the whole thread but here it goes anyways.
i don't know about the reliability of the total seal rings, my friend is running then in his 450hp ls/vtec hatch and its running strong. but anyways, this what i do when i put new rings on any motor: after i build up the oil pressure, i put a drop of oil in the cylinder, start the car and rev it up at about 2000 rpms the purpose of this is to make the rings seat so the oil seal have the proper sealing, run it until the smoke goes away. however as far as i know this has to be done at start up right after you crank it to build up the oil pressure otherwise the rings will not seat properly.
i hope that helps man!!!

 

updates !!!

i really doubt it's the rings. I'm going with a warped head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2000BoostedEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just an fyi al, when the motor was built earl had some problems with the arias rings binding up a little.. He ended up ordering some cp rings for it and they solved the problem..</TD></TR></TABLE>


I remember building that motor. We have seen issues with Arias bottom rings in the same fashion many times. Every time we opted to use a different ring then what Arias provided. Fixed the problem. The tension was WAAAY too much!

 

update:
i talked to laskey racing today and decided to pull the pistons out with a lil help from the original owner; thank you chad
i am sure i'm preaching to the choir
LASKEY Racking is THE SHOP!!!!!
everytime i have called them they have been very imformative and fun to talk to besides.
anyway, i'll be sending these things off to laskey this week. he'll be custom fitting a set of rings to these pistons
and as a the rings' parting shot, the 2nd ring (the gapless one) on piston 4 split in half when i started to remove it. i had barely even applied any pressure to it too. guess its a good thing it came out, i'd havte to have it break while operating

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda's and total seal rings do not mix. I am 99% sure this has something to do with it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

+1

Ive tried building 2 B series motors with total seal rings and both were a total failure. I know of a number of other people who have had the same problem with those rings

 

Glad to be of service, we will get you up and going with the right stuff this time

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Diyracing2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will take teh bet and say it is something in the head or turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i believe someone owes me 20 bucks.

 

Like I also said it is the rings. I should of taken that bet also.

 

didn't someone have a ******** on the line too?

 

i own u my left nut , pm me ur addres , and paypal me the shipping plz

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRAGLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like I also said it is the rings. I should of taken that bet also.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do beleive I was the first person that even mentioned the rings being an issue. Thus I will gladly take my cut of that bet. lol.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by super-hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i own u my left nut , pm me ur addres , and paypal me the shipping plz</TD></TR></TABLE>
Damn man you must hate your nuts, you might atleast want to wait till he rebuilds the engine with the new rings to verify that was the problem lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohczcturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Damn man you must hate your nuts, you might atleast want to wait till he rebuilds the engine with the new rings to verify that was the problem lol </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Great thread! very amusing and good issue with a conclusion...

Note to self: never use total seal, and call Laskey racing soon as I need something

 

Note to self: never use total seal, and call Laskey racing soon as I need something [/QUOTE]

words to live by

 

well this build has finally come to a close.
Laskey was right, the rings were the culprits. so it's time to officially call in those bets!
after the install of the Laskey's custom CP rings everything is great. the owner even replaced his oil leaking, blown out turbo while we were waiting on the new rings to come in. so now the car doesn't smoke, doesn't leak oil like crazy either. its scheduled to get tuned shortly so all is well.
thanks to all the help and many thanks to Laskey Racing

 

Awww what a happy ending!!!

 

god bless.!!!

Lasky racing FTW

 

congrats on getting the problem solved and posting what it was. I read this thread a few months back and wondered if it was fixed.

Laskey Racing...

Total Seal junk *** rings...

 

left nut....