Hey i have a problem can you come by and check how much voltage is coming out of my spark plug holes?I am not getting any spark.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRAGLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey i have a problem can you come by and check how much voltage is coming out of my spark plug holes?I am not getting any spark.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i bet it's a problem with your blinker fluid pump leaking.

 

ok first off your wrong about the blinker fluid pump leaking. Honda blinker fluid pumps last for ever and never leak. Its either the tire pressure or the manual side view mirror fuse, I promise.

And second of all, with all the bets going on you could probably just collect the money and buy the cheap kid a new engine. Then sell the ******** on e-bay and get some pocket money, if it's from a clean donor lol. j/k To be quite honest i have a feeling this kid might be hustlin you for a new engine. Maybe he knew about the smoke problem and just didn't tell you. But to spin 4 bearings is beyond my thoughts I guess, that's just kinda hard to do (drove the hell outa the car with no oil??). But being the broke guy I am I will bet $0 (that way i can finish my damn engine faster) that its the valve seals since I just talked to my machine guy that just built my head ago and he verified that all your customer car's symptoms could be caused by the valve stem seals.

 

same thing happen to me be back in the days when I though of my selft as a engine builder, I put 81 mm into a 81.5 mm block

 

Is the pic. of that smoking with the car at idle? Ive never seen something smoke like that at idle. And isnt oil suppossed to burn different colors like..blue if it is going past rings or intake valves and white if its comming in thru the exhaust valves...or in your case..could be the hot side of the turbo...Maybe thats just a myth i heard and it has something to do with the quantity of oil being dumped.Also i had a set of chromoly rings put into one of my motors and that thing burned oil like crazy..Suppossedly chromoly rings and hondas dont mix too well either.

 

when i had a bad turbo it smoked exactly like that in the picture even at idle. Did you pull your down pipe? Even just a small spec of metal getting into the oiling chamber of the turbo can cause your seals to become damage and leak. You should check the inside of your intercooler piping as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedEj8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the pic. of that smoking with the car at idle? Ive never seen something smoke like that at idle. And isnt oil suppossed to burn different colors like..blue if it is going past rings or intake valves and white if its comming in thru the exhaust valves...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Last motor I rebuilt on the field (lifted onto bricks, pistons/rings put in w/o clearancing or honing - cheap owner ) smoked almost completely white with cyl #1 & 4 ringlands cracked from top ring to oil seal rings...

Anyways, if you really want to check the turbo, all you need is a drill, 22ga or thicker sheetmetal, and a tin snips. Take the chra/comp housing off the turbine housing, then make a block-off plate to bolt onto the turbine housing. Run it NA with the turbine housing Then let it burn the existing oil off (clean puddles out of FMIC first), then see what's up.

And FWIW, oem mls headgaskets usually work as good and usually better than aftermarket, esp with boost.

The other thing is it could be the sleeves. I have a mock-up d16y8 that has cylinders ovaled like eggs. But w/e, check all possibilities.

 

here is what is wrong:

1) you are missing 3 head studs.
2) you had it honed and now the piston to wall clearance is out of spec.
3) the no-seal rings you have do not belong on a honda.
4) ac delco plugs? wtf?

/thread


Modified by mike93eh2 at 9:49 PM 1/5/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93eh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is what is wrong:

1) you are missing 3 head studs.
2) you had it honed and now the piston to wall clearance is out of spec.
3) the no-seal rings you have do not belong on a honda.

/thread</TD></TR></TABLE>
damn didn't even notice the missing studs

 

that sounds familiar my friends has the same problem stil havent figure out its a stock block and it just starts smoking like hell

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93eh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is what is wrong:

1) you are missing 3 head studs.
2) you had it honed and now the piston to wall clearance is out of spec.
3) the no-seal rings you have do not belong on a honda.

/thread</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

oh.. and ac delco plugs??????????

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93eh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is what is wrong:

1) you are missing 3 head studs.
2) you had it honed and now the piston to wall clearance is out of spec.
3) the no-seal rings you have do not belong on a honda.

/thread</TD></TR></TABLE> HAHAHAHAHA , Please tell me you took out those studs before the pic?

 

Im willign to be the valve stem seals came off the valve guides.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXdan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im willign to be the valve stem seals came off the valve guides.</TD></TR></TABLE>

highly unlikely. it wasnt smoking before the rebuild so i would assume it had something to do with the rebuild and the head wasnt touched. unless the valve stem seals were somehow installed wrong, i dont see them popping off the guides. those things arent easy to remove in the first place. even if it is the valve stem seals, it is also highly unlikely to be producing that much smoke. its possible, but they would have to be really really screwed up!

 

ive run total seal rings and yes they suck...smoke was a problem but not to the extreme that you are getting..the only time i got that much oil on top of a piston is when a valve guide actually worked itself loose from the head and just allowed the oil to pour right into the motor....id get some different rings and get that head into a machine shop if it was me

 

i didnt feel like reading and im sure it was suggested but if not, are you sure the head isnt warped?

 

we checked both the head and the block with a straight edge and feeler gauges tonight and they both look to be pretty straight.. the ac delco plugs are just temporary since he doesnt feel like ruining good plugs with the problems that are going on.. the turbo more than likely is toast but this kid doesnt want to fork over the money for a new one, but the turbo cant be the problem for the oil being on top of the pistons as all of this testing was done with the intercooler piping off..

 

Compression can still be good even if the oil control rings are damaged or installed improperly. The 2nd ring is actually a oil control ring as well. It is a taper ring that acts as a scraper on the walls. If the motor ran fine before and the head was not touched, I could have to say it is in your bottom end. Either the rings suck, one of the 2nd ring is upside down or the machine shop missed the mark. I doubt it was the machinist fault though...If it was me, I would pull the block apart and put some new rings back on there, not total seal ones. Make sure you have them facing the correct direction. Since you have it apart, check the piston to wall clearance. But should not be a HUGE task, you can do this while the block is still in the car. Filling the motor full of oil doesn't tell you anything, we know it burns and runs on oil as you can see the smoke

 

Maybe i missed it, but what kind of pistons are those?

 

they are arias tony..

 

I know when I boosted on my b18c1 and factory internals it didn't even smoke like that, HOWEVER..the turbo was bad..whenever you'd start the car and the turbo would get warm, it'd smoke like a freight train. That's just my opinion, everyone else seems to think it's rings. So I gotta say rings too. (Check the turbo though.)

 

i know on arias b series pistons the bottom ring lan is much wider then oem style pistons...you didnt use the thinner spacer from an oem style piston on those did you?

 

This is the problem with the total seal second ring.They machine a groove in the ring to use a thin rail to seal the gap.This totally (pun intended) ruins its ability to do its job of scrapping oil off the wall on the down stroke of the piston.This is a problem with the thin ring used in hondas.This is not as much of a problem with the thicker (1/16") rings used in domestic v8's.I would never use them in anything I build.
As far as the valve seals on my personal dd ls-t this summer I started getting some lingering smoke at stop lights.This got worst over about a week.I pulled the vc and after looking closely saw that all the ex seals were no longer pressed on the guides.These were aftermarket seals that were recommended from a friend to try.They had about 4k on them.I replaced them with oem seals but it never smoked like that.Maybe if all the intake seals were off too maybe it would.
My guess is the rings too.

 

its the turbo. I had that happen to me 2 times last yr. i mean the car at idle will fill up the whole block within 10sec. of running.

tons of white smoke and oil everywhere=turbo.

take the turbo out and look at the turbine side. check your ic piping. is there oil?? i pulled like 2qrts out of the second car. and half a qrt. on the first car.