<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93turbo16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are asking if he checked that, he just stated that the rings are staggered correctly. </TD></TR></TABLE>thats what i was asking, i know what it is, lol. missed the post about that.

 

Deffinately take the head to get it checked..Put a straight edge across the deck of the block and make sure there are no gaps between sleeves and block and between sleeves. I had an oil burning problem forever and after 3 sets of rings and a new set of pistons we found out it was all the valve guides that were f**ked..Also try some hastings rings or the rings that come with the pistons from the manufacturer.

 

Its the total seal rings. I had the same issues with those rings kept them in for about 1000mi and it continued to smoke. Went to the machine shop got some factory replacement rings put them in (no rehoning) started her up bam no more smoke.


Total seal took two engines to figure that out.

 

Doubt its the rings....

LOOOOOTTTT of people use them and they are just fine.

Head is where its at.

 

you can quit looking for the problem, it is the no-seal rings. . they are junk. i killed every mosquito in my county when i used them. put arias rings back on the arias pistons and no oil problem. even the guys at arias said they were junk when i called them about the problem.

 

What do you expect arias to say, that their rings are junk? Doubt it.


Send the head in and post results... I should start a pool on money.. Its the valve stem seals......

 

[QUOTE=Diyracing2]What do you expect arias to say, that their rings are junk? Doubt it.


the guy at arias was friends with the guy i talked to at total-seal. i will bet 20 bucks its the rings.

 

i will take teh bet and say it is something in the head or turbo.

 

piston to wall clerance ,I bet my left nut (small one ) thats the problem

 

I will pass on the body part betting. ahaha.

Take the damn head off and send it in asap so i can get my 20... and my ********.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i killed every mosquito in my county when i used them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL

 

stupid question, but sometimes things like this cause problems

when the engine was rebuilt, was the head touched?
are you sure the valve seals are ripped, or missing? are you sure valve guides are straight?
are the rings positioned on the right direction?
thats alot of oil , and it can only come from the valves or the rings if theres so much in the pistons

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MrParks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like you have the rings upside down, so your pushing the oil in the chambers when on. compression would still be fine too when you do the test im pretty sure thats it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh my god, I’m kicking myself in the head right now. I have the same problem, cheap friend. I try to involve him and at the end of the rebuild I have the same problem. Tried a new head that I took off my own motor so I know it was good. New oem head gasket. Same problem. I ******* let him put the rings on. So I asked if he put them with the mark up, he said there's a mark? Dooooh! So pissed right now!

 

I don't know if this helps but, total seal pistons are known to smoke bad on hondas(and i was told this from 3 of their reps, they are working on a replacement).......... That would be one of your problems, and it's the #2 ring..........And if I remember correctly the total seal rings are square edged and can be installed either way so the upsided down ring theory is out. Hasting makes their rings this way also for hondas.

 

Did you check the turbo? if the turbo is blown itll do all types of weird stuff.

 

i have a feeling its in the head... some leaky seals and there u go oil to burn..

 

i am not sure if the valve seals are capable of pushing that much oil into the combustion chamber. but i don't see how it could be the rings. i followed the directions to the letter. the top ring is directional, has a little dimple that must face up. that's done corectly. the 2nd ring has to be installed corectly to be able to put their gapless secondary ring. the oil ring go as normal.
i already suspected the turbo of blowing oil into the intake so i have the plumbing disconected from the TB.
i put a straight edge across the head and it looks ok. so its on to checking the valve seals/guides. hopefully i will have time to take it on this weekend

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confidance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd belive the rings too except for the fact that the oil i poured into the cyl 48 hours ago still has not drained past the rings. and the lack of smoke/obvious blowby coming out of the pcv system.
can the valve seals leak that much oil?
someone said that hondas don't like total seal rings. is there any proof to back that up? i searched prior to ordering them and found no negative posts about the rings. did i just not look hard enough?
yes, the rings are gapped and staggered properly; according to the instructions included by Total Seal. the dowl pins are also install corectly in the head.
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The compression ring is whats holding the oil in there. Theres not much you can do to see if the oil ring is bad or not working properlly other than replacing it. I still think it's the rings considering the oil ring is the first ring to enter the bore upon assembily.

I was the person that said Honda's don't really go well with total seal rings. I don't really have much proof other than in the 8 years I've been on honda boards, and building honda's, absolutely no one reccomends running them. I have also heard of a lot of issues with them (low compression and oil burning issues). I would simply swap the rings out for some OEM hondas and see if that helps.

 

if the rings were that bad that oil pools on top of the pistons, wouldnt compression be really low?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2redstars &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if the rings were that bad that oil pools on top of the pistons, wouldnt compression be really low?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No the oil would increase the compression.What's needed is a leakdown test to properly check piston ring condition

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Diyracing2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doubt its the rings....

LOOOOOTTTT of people use them and they are just fine.

Head is where its at.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude leaky valve seals will never smoke that bad. Trust me I know

 

I can not beleive you people are saying these things! lol!?!?!

- The compression of the engine is SOLELY due to the 2 compression rings (hence the name).

- The oil ring's purpose is to prevent oil from getting into the combustion chamber.

Putting oil into the chamber to see if the compression will go up will ONLY check the condition of the two compression rings. Same goes for the leak down test. Like I said before, the only way to rule out the oil ring, is to replace them, and I am 99.999% sure this is the problem.

There is so much bad information in this thread it's unbeleiveable.

 

NO, i dont trust you, and no, you dont know.

Valve stem seals that are bad/ripped, can leak as much oil as you can pour in there....

Straight shot through the seal and the guide into the motor we go...

I am taking bets that its the head/ turbo.... Got 20 goin so far that its not the rings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Diyracing2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Valve stem seals that are bad/ripped, can leak as much oil as you can pour in there....


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You really think so?

 

Put da money where da mouth is punk. ahaha.

My bet is head/turbo.

Your bet is the rings?

20?