I have a 91 civic (look in my garage for my complete set-up) in short it has a Turbo GSR and when I installed my DSM's it runs and idles like ****, like it was getting to much fuel. When you rev it up it sputers and has a strong fuel smell, Like it is getting to much fuel. Im running a FMU set-up and 8Psi. it runs and idles great with the stock 240cc's . The injectors have been cleaned and balanced there are no fuel or vacuum leaks.
Please help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">91 Civic Hatch
1995 JDM GSR 1.8
Drag turbo manifold
Turbonectics T3/T04e
5 bolt Downpipe
Tial 35mm Hp wastgate
Tial BOV
Goodridge Feed line
Custom oil return
Inline Fuel Pump
Vortech 12:1 FMU
Missing Link
Moroso Breather Kit (Endyn Modified)
Cometic HeadGasket FI
Spearco Boost Gauge
Custom Piping
B16A Transmission
Act 6 Puck unsprung Hub Disc w/extreme PP
Lightened Flywheel
Hasport Billet Mount Kit
Place Racing Front CrossMember
Urethane Shifter bushings
JG Edlebrock Manifold Powdercoated Crinkle Black
Ericks Racing 72mm TB
AEM Fuel Rail w/ B&M FPR
STR Billet Cam Seal
Type-R V.C.
Ngk wires
Thermal R&D Exhaust
Tokico Blue Struts
Pro-Active Coil-Overs
Rear Lower Sway bar
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So, you just installed a set of injectors that flow a little over twice the fuel of your stock ones... what are you using in your setup to control the altered fuel flow? The Type-R V.C?

 

Funny that is why im asking, WHat do I need to do to make it work. Nobody likes a smart ***.
The type-r V.C is for the x-tra 5Hp the red color gives you!!

 

Yes, I am a smart ***, or a smartass - take your pick.

Here's a nice basic page on how turbo systems work. Given the nature of your question, and how you just bolt things on with no clue as to what they do or how they perform on your stock ECU, I really can't see any other place for you to begin... you know, everything you should have known before you bought/assembled a turbocharged tuner car.

After that page I'd buy Maximum Boost by Corky Bell as a rough primer on the subject matter, he touches in greater detail on possible fuel and ignition systems. From there, I'd go with Hugh MacInne's excellent Turbochargers, it delves more into the physics and theory of forced induction.

At this point you'll have a decent idea of what is possible, but no clue as to what applications work best on Hondas, or in fact any car you could name. I would advise a two-prong strategy of netsearching this and other forums while beefing up on your internal combustion engine theory so you are able to seperate marketing from quality engineering. Vizard, Obert, Yunick, etc all have books that range from amusngly informative to highly technical and do a good job of painting what is happening under the hood in your mind with bright vivid colors.

If that seems like too much work to bother with, take it to a reputable shop and let them tell you what you need. Most people do. They will be better inclined to explain things to you in simple, watered down terminology, but don't for a second confuse that with actually knowing what's going on.

 

to make the injectors work get a SAFC or run uberdata which is free . i just started uberdata and i LOVE it. if you hav any ?'s pm me

 

ahemm, I think you might be a seething jackass posting as a smart ***. just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, you know, could get messy.

 

lo.. you cant just install dsm 450 injectors with a FMU and expect it to run right. now your injectors are putting out TOO much fuel. the stock computer you have does not know hoiw to control those injectors mainly cuttign fuel from them. and that FMU is a POS get rid of it. you need a VAFC or SAFC to control the injectors. onec you get one of those you can cut the amount of fuel deleivered by the injectors thus solving your problem or sputtering and strong fuel smell.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Given the nature of your question, and how you just bolt things on with no clue as to what they do or how they perform on your stock ECU, I really can't see any other place for you to begin... you know, everything you should have known before you bought/assembled a turbocharged tuner car.

If that seems like too much work to bother with, take it to a reputable shop and let them tell you what you need. Most people do. They will be better inclined to explain things to you in simple, watered down terminology, but don't for a second confuse that with actually knowing what's going on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn you are f*cking mean dude!
I was only asking a ?
I bet you go looking for trouble on H-T dont you?
By the way if you just assume that I have absolutley no idea about automobiles
you must be dumber than you think I'am
PLease dont bother to reply unless you have anything nice to say.
Didnt your parents teach you any manners
Billy

 

Sorry, but I'm with J. Davis on this one. You essentially bought parts and you don't even know why you bought them Why did you buy them if you don't know what they do? What made you think you need them?

As stated above, you're putting in WAY too much fuel. You have to use some sort of control - VAFC, Uberdata, whatever - to control how much fuel you're getting at idle and part-throttle. With the DSMs you shouldn't need an FMU, that will horribly overfuel your car. With the VAFC hack or Uberdata you shouldn't need a MAP limiter/missing link as you would with the FMU.

Please research before pulling out the wallet! I'm not trying to be mean, but dang.

Here, just to prove no hard feelings:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=137901
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=694581

 

Quit whining.

Did you buy DSM 450's because 450 is bigger than 240, so they must be cooler? Do you understand what those numbers mean? Why did you pick that size? Why do you have a FMU? Do you know what a FMU does?

You can just say no to all of them, rather than answer them individually.

You can't turbo a car without research. Search.

 

"Hi, I bought something I have no idea about, and I don't want to learn I just want you to tell me what to buy now so that once I have your user name I can pester you as to why it doesn't work the way I think it should, partially because I have no idea how to use it.

Oh, and btw, I know everything I need to about cars, why I'm asking for help if I'm so goddamn smart doesn't make any sense, but you're not allowed to point it out."

As far as my manners, I was shooting straight from the hip as I see things, and was not being rude up until now. I speak to people like that in real life, so very sorry if the truth hurts. You'll not find anyone who has met me in real life who will tell you I'm at all impolite, and I have met any number of people who post here and in other forums.

 

i started reading this post because every body and thier dog talks about running dsm injectors in a boosted honda. Most people dont know all of the variables to make this work. Some of us thought that we might find some insightful answers in this post.

The guy who posted this probably thought to himself...

Hey I've got an idea... I will ask some of the friendly people on honda tech&gt;

but then all of a sudden some d*ck face named J Davis hops off his high horse and starts spouting out b*ll sh*t instead of offering some godd*mn advice.

do the world a favor and shut your godda*mn mouth...

or option 2

stick a fuc*king gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

the point is that this forum does not need arrogant motherf*ckers like you.

Just answer the question or don't say a godd*mn thing.

for all you know, this guy has been building supras or ferraris or f*cking pintos with steam powered engines, and maybe he just does'nt know about honda fuel injection computers.

that doesn't mean he doesn't know about cars or engines or f*cking airplanes or brain surgery or any thing else. hes just not fortunate enough to have your level of expertise on the subject.

so in conclusion, by you implying that he just doesn't know anything about cars, or what ever, shows how self proclaimed geniuses such as your self really may not have all the answers.

I've got a couple of books for you<U></U> to read...

[B]"eat sh*t and die you dumb f*cking c*ck wh*re"[B]

as well as...

"how to keep my motherf*cking mouth shut". FOR DUMMIES

Offer advice, suggestions, or simply SHUT THE F*CK UP

i'll repeat SHUT THE F*CK UP

in case you didn't catch that, I suggested that you SHUT THE F*CK UP.

and to all of those that <U>did</U> offer advice...

thanks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the point is that this forum does not need arrogant motherf*ckers like you.

Just answer the question or don't say a godd*mn thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The correct answer to the question was what I said: the knowledge gunslinger seeks is in the form of multiple books which I don't have the time to, or interest in, providing for you. Notice everyone who replied to this thread who had the answers gunslinger sought sided with my viewpoint. This is not a simple yes/no Q, or a quick ten sentence clarification that is required here! While it is a pretty simple concept as advanced EFI concerns go, there is nothing simple about the amount of knowledge that the theory is built upon which this guy totally lacked.

Much like a classroom, in this and any TECH Forum, you are supposed to be doing your homework, paying attention to lectures, and if you have a question to help you along the way you ask for clarification. You PM some of the knowledgible posters for help. You identify what knowledge you lack (in this case, anything about EFI) and purchase a book or netsearch or search these forums as opposed to diluting the signal:noise ratio. I started out pretty nice, tried to be a little firmer that I was serious with what I was saying and not yanking gunslinger's chain, and then displayed my annoyance at the proper time.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for all you know, this guy has been building supras or ferraris or f*cking pintos with steam powered engines, and maybe he just does'nt know about honda fuel injection computers.

that doesn't mean he doesn't know about cars or engines or f*cking airplanes or brain surgery or any thing else. hes just not fortunate enough to have your level of expertise on the subject.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I disagree. If you ever meet anyone with a very high degree of knowledge in any technical field, they are pretty good at breaking things down real simple and figuring out what knowledge they lack. They'd start with generic books or netsearches on generic subjects and then refine things as they go. Do you possess any high degree of knowledge in any particular field, Mr.E.G.? I don't think you do, or you wouldn't propose this argument.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so in conclusion, by you implying that he just doesn't know anything about cars, or what ever, shows how self proclaimed geniuses such as your self really may not have all the answers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never self-proclaimed myself ****, Jack. I can assure you that my IQ, cognitive skills tests, and complete educational background are things I have not shared with anyone in the Honda or Internet world, as I self-proclaim nothing but knowledge of the topics I choose to discuss. Am I a genius? I don't even think like that. The closest answer I can come up with to a question or line of thought like that is I am neurotically obsessed with cars. Period. You'll find a lot of people who share that trait around this forum.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, bro, thank you! If you hadn't PMed me your link to your stupid reply box asking my $0.02 on the subject, I would never have used the search function to view your recent watched topics to tear you a new ***. I've been a bit busy lately, and wouldn't have skimmed this forum at all otherwise.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

but then all of a sudden some d*ck face named J Davis hops off his high horse and starts spouting out b*ll sh*t instead of offering some godd*mn advice.

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I believe he 'did' answer the original poster. Many people here are very proficient at what they do, and we get this crap every single day. It begin's to wear thin after a while... If you expect to get an answer to a question that is so stupid, and it is simply because he bought a bunch of stuff without knowing how to use it. Then go somewhere else.

Hell if he wants advice here: Give me your car because I actually know what the hell to do with it, and secondly lay off he was giving great advice, and has helped many people on here with his great understanding of Honda ECU's.

 

wow, what a ******* tool.

Mr.E.G. you made me laugh more than anyone else has this whole week.

above all, your signature is quite unique as well.

my advice to you is to shut your pie hole if you want to stay on HT