<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree that the DRAG kits isnt the ALL out Turbo kit. I would change the Wastegate myself.

Just curious. What are your personal expereinces that you dont like it so much.
Can you explain? thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

-well lets start with wastegate/deltagate...piece of ****...known for boost creep
-the manifold cracks 9/10 times
-you get a dinky *** intercooler

the drag kit is really a "pretty kit"

 

the thing that pissed me off the most is there was a lot of cutting involved with installing the kit, not only cutting the block, but cutting the radiator fan, moving the condensor fan to the other side, the piping fit like complete ****, we had to cut them to make them fit, but then there still wasnt enough so i got hella pissed and just bought new piping for the tb to the ic. the ic to the turbo piping sucks *** too. i hate those damn check valves (already got rid of them) and used a missing link, Didnt use the FP, got a real one an intank.

 

Lets just say that I have turboed 4 cars, drag was my first kit, and I will never buy another one. The other cars have peices of other kits. I think its better to piece a kit together so you can choose everything you want.

 

i dont know what motor/car combo you put your drag kit on buddy. i have the drag 3 kit for a gsr in my 95 civic hatch with a b18c1 and besides the fact that i had to notch my block a little to get teh turbo to fit, everything fit perfect. i didnt have to cut my fan, i didnt have to move ant condensor stuff, and every singel piece of intercooler piping fit likea glove with no cutting at all. i got my kit used for 1400 bux and i got a drag down pipe. for 100 bux and it fit perfectly as well. this was my first turbo kit and it couldnt have gone any smoother. of course i didnt use check valves or nasty fmu either i am using dsm 450 injectors along with vafc and my car runs really nice and strong at 5psi.

 

oh my DP blows too. it had to be cut and rewelded because it was sitting too low. I have a 96 teg.

 

I too heard lots of complaints about the quality or lack thereof on DRAG kits, especially with the manifold cracking.

My kit was peiced together myself, but admitidly, it's 90% of a Revhard kit. Revhard mani, intercooler, piping, DP. Only exception is i'm using a straight T3 and Hondata.

Have you considered GReddy? If you don't plan on going nuts, you can make a solid 280+whp @ 10psi +/- and the quality is unmatched!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8_Fan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

one of my buddies has a Sparks/Meng Manifold. He took it off and i counted about 8 cracks in it.</TD></TR></TABLE>if your buddy didnt brace the manifold then i can understand why. i have the same mani braced and had it for 7 months now and so far no cracks.

i dont see why peeps dont like drag. i put together a kit for my boy in hawaii. it was base off a drag kit (ic pipping, fmic, mani.) but got him a different wastegate,turbo,and fuel pump.

the drag kit puts out good numbers and just as much or even more then others. you can get a drag since its your first kit then do upgrades later. it may cost more in the long run though. ive put on only 6 drag kit for peeps and not one i had to modify anything except for the blocks. all of drags parts fit perfect, at least for the ones i did.

 

1st do a compression check, if the numbers are good, boost away.

I wouldn't get rid of the block if it wasn't, get some piston + rods, if you can afford to sleeve the block more power to you, literally.

I am assuming you don't want to spend tons of money, but if you are go full-race great products, the HP#'s i've seen make them seem worth the cash, but out of my budget.

I'd personally look at the Max Rev kit, comes with the parts that people replace on the drag kit.

I remeber recently seeing on this board that ks-motorsports is running a group buy for like 2,800 w/ hondata and Kyle the owner is know for great customer service.

The hard part I hear about the max rev is the dyi piping, but thats just a bit of pipe cutting.

I'd also buy 550 injectors or DSM 440 w/ resistor box for budget reason's. Plus a walboro fuel pump. (sponsor marketplace $100 shipped) and guages.

Don't forget tuning, plus this combo ,10lbs on stock block would be safe, with a proper tuning.


Happy Boosting

 

honestly I'll will re-build the motor first before purchasing the turbo kit. Contact wil from exospeed.com. They offer great price for a totally rebuilt for Turbo. And If I were to get a kit, it would have to be Max-Rev turbo kit .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I too heard lots of complaints about the quality or lack thereof on DRAG kits, especially with the manifold cracking.

My kit was peiced together myself, but admitidly, it's 90% of a Revhard kit. Revhard mani, intercooler, piping, DP. Only exception is i'm using a straight T3 and Hondata.

Have you considered GReddy? If you don't plan on going nuts, you can make a solid 280+whp @ 10psi +/- and the quality is unmatched! </TD></TR></TABLE>i had a drag mani for 2 years and sold to my friend in hawaii and still no cracks. i hear of more stainless steel mani cracking way before cast. and for the amount of a greddy kit, you can get a drag with other upgrade. the cheapest ive seen a drag is 2700 complete and a greddy for 3400 complete. 700 dollars extra to spend on something else.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I too heard lots of complaints about the quality or lack thereof on DRAG kits, especially with the manifold cracking.

My kit was peiced together myself, but admitidly, it's 90% of a Revhard kit. Revhard mani, intercooler, piping, DP. Only exception is i'm using a straight T3 and Hondata.

Have you considered GReddy? If you don't plan on going nuts, you can make a solid 280+whp @ 10psi +/- and the quality is unmatched! </TD></TR></TABLE>

eventually i plan on going a bit crazy

i don't see how max/rev hard kits are better, for the price of a max/rev kit u can get the drag plus some goodies

 

build a kit....do it right the 1st time. plus drag manifolds suck ***.....save up and get a good manifold.
thats my .02

 

well i bought my drag kit and my firend decied to piece his own kit and he has finally finished now and he has spent well over 3000 dollars for everything and he ended up with the same stuff i got but the less blingy piping cuz he got jc whitney and a slightly smaller turbo the t3/t4 b (i got t3/t4 E) and overall i think i got a better deal he got what he wanted but in the end he said he wished he would have bought a kit. oh yea he got a tial wastegate and i got a deltagate. but thats no big deal u can find tial wastegates for like 150 bux all day long. so all i all i think the drag kits are great kits to begin with and end with as well. they are shitty liek teh greddy kits and i think the quality of teh kit is far superior to the fmax or revhard that i have seen on other friends cars. but we can argue all day long eveyr one is biased in some form or way.

 

Drag kit isn't all that bad. The only reason people say go custom is because you get what you "WANT". I bought the drag kit because i wanted to get the boost quick and i made okay power at 9 psi.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nextelbuddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i bought my drag kit and my firend decied to piece his own kit and he has finally finished now and he has spent well over 3000 dollars for everything and he ended up with the same stuff i got but the less blingy piping cuz he got jc whitney and a slightly smaller turbo the t3/t4 b (i got t3/t4 E) and overall i think i got a better deal he got what he wanted but in the end he said he wished he would have bought a kit. oh yea he got a tial wastegate and i got a deltagate. but thats no big deal u can find tial wastegates for like 150 bux all day long. so all i all i think the drag kits are great kits to begin with and end with as well. they are shitty liek teh greddy kits and i think the quality of teh kit is far superior to the fmax or revhard that i have seen on other friends cars. but we can argue all day long eveyr one is biased in some form or way. </TD></TR></TABLE> exactly!

 

yeah i guess i'm gonna go with a drag 3 kit and hondata with tuning

 

good choice for your first kit. i think you will be really happy with it for what you are wanting out of your car. hondata and turbo are your best friend

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nY's FiNeSt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't see how max/rev hard kits are better, for the price of a max/rev kit u can get the drag plus some goodies</TD></TR></TABLE>

Manifolds that aren't synonomous with cracking, TiAL wastegates (no Deltacreeps), and materials that FIT.... yea, no idea why they'd be a "better buy".

 

dude i canunderstand the wastegate and manifold problem you have those can be replaced cheap and easily no problem. but the fitment of the rest of the kit?? what are you talkin about?? i have seen at least 5 drag kits on the motor in the car they were meant to be on and the fitment was perfect except for notching the block. hell i even have the drag kit for the gsr in my 95 civic hatch and it fit perfectly with no cutting and no modifying anything. the tial wastegat can be bought for about 150 bux thats no problem and the manifold is decent. not everyones crack i thikn the ones that crack are from peopl that dont take care of them and do some weird stuff to cause them to crack. i have the delta gate and i am not spiking whatso ever.

i think for the most part for what u pay with the drag kit u get a reall;y good deal unless you are one of those peopel that want a 10 sec car then this kit isnt for them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nextelbuddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but the fitment of the rest of the kit?? what are you talkin about?? i have seen at least 5 drag kits on the motor in the car they were meant to be on and the fitment was perfect except for notching the block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude are you kidding?? Flip back a page and look at the responses in THIS thread alone about the poor fitment so many people have encountered with DRAG kits.. 1 I can understand, 2 and it's pushing it, but when you have sooo many people in the time that i've been here alone complain about the lack of fitment of DRAG kits, you have to know something is up.

Instead of thinking everybody else is extremley unlucky or retarded becuase their kits don't fit, you ever think maybe you're just lucky that yours do fit properly?

 

to hard to beleive that out of all the drag kits i am one of the few lucky that got a no fitment problem. u know what i thikn it is.... its called O.E operator error. peopel dont know how to install their kits right then they startt bitching and complaining. cry me a river

 

If you go thru http://www.ks-motorsports.com they have the max rev kit w/ Hondata under 3,000 last time I checked. All the components you would upgrade on the Drag kit are already in this kit. I don't see the price difference, especially if you compare the quality. I'm not saying the Drag is poor quality, but for the comparable prices I feel the Max Rev is better. Just my opinion. Oh and the Greddy turbo, is defiantly not crap, but you must take into consideration, it's a name brand kit, that has a quality, quick spooling turbo. It's not made to make for high HP. Plus it's 50 state legal, till you add stuff.

Do what you want, regardless I wish you happy Boosting.

 

i guess im too biased. i only paid 1400 for my whole drag 3 kit so thats why i think i got a better deal than getting a max rev or f max kit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Dude are you kidding?? Flip back a page and look at the responses in THIS thread alone about the poor fitment so many people have encountered with DRAG kits.. 1 I can understand, 2 and it's pushing it, but when you have sooo many people in the time that i've been here alone complain about the lack of fitment of DRAG kits, you have to know something is up.

Instead of thinking everybody else is extremley unlucky or retarded becuase their kits don't fit, you ever think maybe you're just lucky that yours do fit properly?</TD></TR></TABLE>all the kits i installed where for that particular car and all never had a fitment problem except for the block. and not all i had to grind. i think the sohc ones that come with the t3/t04b dont need to grind the block. not even a problem with lineing up the DP to the exhaust either. i put together a drag kit with new parts for about 2200 and with hondata should put it right at 3000 or 100-200 more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by W.ZeroB18C1T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the sohc ones that come with the t3/t04b dont need to grind the block. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yup..it comes with a t3/04b and no need for grinding.BTW..my drag gen 2 manifold is 4 years old and got 40,000+ miles on it with no zero problems...if its cracked or esp if it cracked several times,You probably have or your doing something wrong like...
1 No bracing on down pipe
2 Not running Honda Metal 2 piece Exhaust Gasket
3 Running way high EGTs
4 Warp Head in Flange area
5 Over Tightened Bolts
6 Wrong Tightening Sequence
etc etc........

....and if you buy one from importparts.com theyll guaranteed it for life or until they go out of business...