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Old Jan 14, 2003 | 10:32 PM
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Are most ductile iron sleeves equal?Do you have to get the bigname sleeves like darton,or benson?I have a local machine shop that has an excellent reputation and has been in business for 35yrs.They said that they could resleeve my GSR block for like $600 but they said that they used some sleeve that I had never heard of.I'm just looking to save time and money by doing it local.What do you think?
Old Jan 14, 2003 | 10:37 PM
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I'm just looking to save time and money. What do you think?
This is a big no-no of mine when talking about building a motor, if i was you, id spend the extra few hundred dollars and go with whats proven, Give GE a call.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 01:42 AM
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RS MAChine as well does good work.. what more can you ask for? they do blocks for PRO class 8 and 9 sec ond cars.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 04:11 AM
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$600 really isnt saving you much money anyway..
especcially if all you get is the sleeves installed
when I built my motor I had Bensons do all the work, the Darton sleeves were only $800 installed...

is $200 worth the piece of mind??

the other thing to consider is you can buy a name brand sleeve and have that shop put it in for you, that will prolly save some money (a regular ductile iron sleeve itself is not expensive at all)
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:08 AM
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Do it right and get GE sleeves.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:14 AM
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Does anyoen know anything about LA Sleeve?
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:22 AM
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You've got to be kidding with that 3 cylinder thing right? Please tell me you are. I couldnt handle it if you weren't.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:25 AM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (tzsir)

I'd say that most ductile Iron sleeves are pretty equal...I, myself am going to run ARI sleeves
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:44 AM
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Well its really 3.2 cylinders. Compression #'s 182,182,178,110. Leakdown 7%,7%,8%,82%. It still runs and idles pretty well. The weirdest thing is that at idle it has 19-21 vaccume.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (1320development)

I'd say that most ductile Iron sleeves are pretty equal...I, myself am going to run ARI sleeves
I thought he only worked on rotaries? LOL! j/k!

I don't see the difference between running a ductile iron sleeve from a "Brand Name" company as compared to a "no name" company. Is there any difference between the sleeve material itself? I'm pretty sure it's not much.

But I believe the big difference is in the installation itself. If a shop has little to no experience with installing the sleeves, or even the right equipment to do the job...I'll be more willing to pay the extra $$ to get it done RIGHT. I wouldn't want to be a guinea pig for whatever local shop that's willing to cut me a few bucks so they can experiment on my motor.

Just my 0.02.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 08:32 AM
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to me it is the guarantee and warranty. If they have been doing this for this long, what kind of warranty do they offer? If they give you a nice warranty then i don't see why not. Later
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 08:37 AM
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my local machine shop has been working on road race cars for about 3 decades now...They've dabbed into some hondas, but mostly pistons and rods...They have only done 2 other honda motors and they have been very successful.

ARI=Auto race industry

I bought my pistons and rods through ARI about 1.5 years ago and had great service. I'm gonna go thre again

ductile iron is ductile iron to me
plus, with teh closed deck of the H22 motors, it'll be more stout than an open deck design
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 09:06 AM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (1320development)

AEBS T-Sleeves over here. No complaints yet. A little pricier than all of the rest though.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 10:22 AM
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We have run the ari sleeves on an h22 and they work well. I myself run GE No problems at 28psi of boost and over 550hp for several months now.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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ive heard of LA sleeves for motorcycles, they have good stuff
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 11:20 AM
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I thought AEBS sleeves were made by GE?
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 11:48 AM
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I dont think so they look completly different.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (1320development)

I'd say that most ductile Iron sleeves are pretty equal...I, myself am going to run ARI sleeves
... are you talking about the $46 each sleeves?... i was looking at the ARI sleeves also... do you have any more info on these?... lemme know... thanks...
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 08:10 PM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (954DR)

I thought AEBS sleeves were made by GE?
I think thats AEBS and Darton, if im not mistaken
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (hybrid901)

Well its really 3.2 cylinders. Compression #'s 182,182,178,110. Leakdown 7%,7%,8%,82%. It still runs and idles pretty well. The weirdest thing is that at idle it has 19-21 vaccume.
Does your car smoke during idle or on the gas?
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 08:57 PM
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yeah, motormatrix runs these in their race car. made 667 with methanol
Old Jan 16, 2003 | 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Do you NEED bigname sleeves? (1320development)

these guys near me have their own sleeves.
they do good work.
http://www.leitnerbush.com/
sleeves
http://www.leitnerbush.com/projects.htm
basically like darton .

there is also a shop close to me that can install (dartons for example) and they also do good work.
im al ittle weary of having a closed deck block though.
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