darton mid sleeve question?
10-10-2004, 06:46 PM
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darton mid sleeve question?
how do the closed deck mid kit look compared to the open deck?
is this block sleeved with darton mid? do the pistons look like je9:1?
the reason i ask is all the other darton blocks ive seen look different?
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is this block sleeved with darton mid? do the pistons look like je9:1?
the reason i ask is all the other darton blocks ive seen look different?
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10-10-2004, 07:38 PM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (Hella_JDM)
ive tried 4 different uploaders and 3 different pics. this is annoying me! 
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10-10-2004, 07:39 PM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats the link you are trying , pic doesnt work</TD></TR></TABLE>
Try imagestation
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10-10-2004, 07:54 PM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (TeStUdO)
thank you imagestash.com for not being gay...
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10-11-2004, 07:22 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=999707
Here is my post with pics of my block sleeved with MID Darton sleeves. This is in a B18C block. I think that MID sleeves are made for open deck, never heard of anyone installing them on a closed deck just because the t-top wouldn't fit. Could be wrong but thats what I'm thinking.
Here is my post with pics of my block sleeved with MID Darton sleeves. This is in a B18C block. I think that MID sleeves are made for open deck, never heard of anyone installing them on a closed deck just because the t-top wouldn't fit. Could be wrong but thats what I'm thinking.
10-11-2004, 01:08 PM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda13typer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so did darton make closed deck sleeves?</TD></TR></TABLE>'
?? Try getting info on there site they make closed deck sleeve's.
?? Try getting info on there site they make closed deck sleeve's.
10-11-2004, 04:37 PM
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darton doesn't make a wet sleeve kit for the closed decks, i've only seen golden eagle make them for a closed deck like the old h22a, but the was years ago
10-11-2004, 04:43 PM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
Darton does make sleeves for closed deck motors. They're just not MID sleeves because there is no reason to have the deck, it's close already.
10-12-2004, 03:02 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda13typer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so is the block pictured above sleeved?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's hard to be sure from the pic., but it may have a thin wall repair type sleeve. We install Darton sleeves in closed deck blocks, but we machine them from blanks and they are heavy wall ( up to 89mm bore). The MID style sleeve is for open decks. A simple test is to use a magnet wrapped in a thin rag (to not scratch the cylinder walls) and see if it attracts to the cylinder. The stock sleeves won't have any attraction to the magnet.
It's hard to be sure from the pic., but it may have a thin wall repair type sleeve. We install Darton sleeves in closed deck blocks, but we machine them from blanks and they are heavy wall ( up to 89mm bore). The MID style sleeve is for open decks. A simple test is to use a magnet wrapped in a thin rag (to not scratch the cylinder walls) and see if it attracts to the cylinder. The stock sleeves won't have any attraction to the magnet.
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (quickcarl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quickcarl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's hard to be sure from the pic., but it may have a thin wall repair type sleeve. We install Darton sleeves in closed deck blocks, but we machine them from blanks and they are heavy wall ( up to 89mm bore). The MID style sleeve is for open decks. A simple test is to use a magnet wrapped in a thin rag (to not scratch the cylinder walls) and see if it attracts to the cylinder. The stock sleeves won't have any attraction to the magnet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you have any pics by any chance?
It's hard to be sure from the pic., but it may have a thin wall repair type sleeve. We install Darton sleeves in closed deck blocks, but we machine them from blanks and they are heavy wall ( up to 89mm bore). The MID style sleeve is for open decks. A simple test is to use a magnet wrapped in a thin rag (to not scratch the cylinder walls) and see if it attracts to the cylinder. The stock sleeves won't have any attraction to the magnet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you have any pics by any chance?
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (quickcarl)
so what are the different types of darton closed deck sleeves or is there only one?
they have ___,___,___? they also have stock replacement too right?
they have ___,___,___? they also have stock replacement too right?
10-12-2004, 06:08 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
My Darton MID Sleeved B16-->
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10-12-2004, 06:37 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda13typer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what are the different types of darton closed deck sleeves or is there only one?
they have ___,___,___? they also have stock replacement too right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The MID is in the picture and creates a closed deck with the head of the sleeve. They offer a repair sleeve that isn't closed deck and can't be bored as large. We purchase Blanks from Darton and machine them in house to our specs. and CNC machine our own aluminum billet plate and the block to close the deck in open deck blocks. Your closed deck in your pic. would be sleeved only and no plate. The MID isn't needed for closed decks.
they have ___,___,___? they also have stock replacement too right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The MID is in the picture and creates a closed deck with the head of the sleeve. They offer a repair sleeve that isn't closed deck and can't be bored as large. We purchase Blanks from Darton and machine them in house to our specs. and CNC machine our own aluminum billet plate and the block to close the deck in open deck blocks. Your closed deck in your pic. would be sleeved only and no plate. The MID isn't needed for closed decks.
10-12-2004, 07:24 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (quickcarl)
my plans are to run a pt67 with high boost would this setup be strong enough to support let say 600hp? being that its sleeved and closed deck. 
10-12-2004, 09:12 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda13typer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my plans are to run a pt67 with high boost would this setup be strong enough to support let say 600hp? being that its sleeved and closed deck. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Either our system or the MID will handle to 40 psi boost. The thinner wall repair sleeve (IF it's Ductile Iron) should with a good tune up.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Either our system or the MID will handle to 40 psi boost. The thinner wall repair sleeve (IF it's Ductile Iron) should with a good tune up.
10-12-2004, 10:04 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
Below is a picture similar to the block you posted, which is an H23 closed deck using the Darton Flanged Sleeves.
Here is a picture of a B series motor we did last week with the Darton MID's which converts the block to essentially a closed deck set-up.
Here is a picture of a B series motor we did last week with the Darton MID's which converts the block to essentially a closed deck set-up.
10-12-2004, 10:16 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (PrecisionH23a)
yea those are nice. the first block i posted above isnt the flanged one because the flanged ones touch in between the cylinders so i believe its a straight sleeve design. now im wondering how strong those sleeves are compared to the flanged ones and the mid ones. hopefully these sleeve will handle the boost im about to throw at it...
10-12-2004, 10:21 AM
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Re: darton mid sleeve question? (honda13typer)
The 1st picture I posted of the closed deck flanged set-up will easily take 30psi with no problems given that you do not exceed a bore of 88mm. The sleeves are called 'flanged' because it has a 'flange' on the bottom of the sleeve which holds the sleeve stationary. An 89mm bore is pushing it a bit... so I would run maybe 25 max with that sleeve on an H series. Anything larger really needs to step up to the MID for the H series.
The MID's (Modular Integrated Deck) posted up are for an LS/VTEC motor that will be running an 84mm bore. The MID's can easily take 30psi+ of boost with no problems.
All blocks are pressure tested. But to be honest, those ratings are heresay. The testing is only done to make sure there are no 'block leaks'.
The MID's (Modular Integrated Deck) posted up are for an LS/VTEC motor that will be running an 84mm bore. The MID's can easily take 30psi+ of boost with no problems.
All blocks are pressure tested. But to be honest, those ratings are heresay. The testing is only done to make sure there are no 'block leaks'.