im trying to decide on whether to build my d16z6, pistons,sleeves,rodes,bearings,ex. or build a ls . im shooting for 400hp - 300+tq daily driver, only thing im wondering is what the price would be to pay a shop to do the install. also i need to know if i need sleeves for 400 on a d16 block? any help on the numbers would be great thanks guys
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i would get sleeves on a 400hp d16..

although full race made like 440 on stock sleeves.

 

bump for more input

 

also interested....

 

LS would be the better investment IMO

 

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Lets stick to the original question.

As far as making 400+hp, I would suggest sleeving the block and pretty much going for the works to reach this goal. While FR made over 400 on a stock block, what you are doing is investing on a setup that you dont plan to replace any time soon. So building it properly is the right way to go.
Look into spending about $3000 on a build bottom end. Don't forget headwork as well, to make that much hp, you need high boost and you need a good flowing head and/or at least a valvetrain to handle the high rpm/high boost so it doesnt get valve float.

 

is that 3000 for parts and labor? and is 400 hp easier and cheaper on a ls motor than a d16?

 

$3000 is an estimate on a block. plan on the cyl head build up to($500-1500)
then you have your head gaskets, timing belt, etc.

As far as what is easier, it all depends on your goal. If you are shooting for 400hp, its doable on an SOHC. if you want more than 400hp, its easier to do it with an LS or VTEC b-series. As far as what you have to spend to prepare it for turbo. All parts are pretty much the same. pistons, rods, sleeving, is all the same whether it is a b or d series.

as far as install in the car, block install will run you about $700-1000.00
That includes removing your whole engine, dropping in your block and putting the head on the built block, valve adjustment, etc. just be aware of what you are paying for. Something liek this is not a basic "swap" where its just an in and out. There are other labor involved such as transfering and putting on the parts from the old block to the new block ,etc.

this is what you want right?





Modified by exospeedAMcrx at 7:02 PM 3/27/2006

 

If you have the option of a D16 or an LS I think the clear choice is the LS, although there was a huge debate about that a little while ago.

 

it all depends on your plans and goals. converting to LS setup adds on the cost. Mounts, complete LS engine, ECU, wiring, axles, etc.

if you just want a streetable turbo setup, the D16 is already a good platform.

 

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if you just want a streetable turbo setup, the D16 is already a good platform.</TD></TR></TABLE>

very true

 

lets say that i desided to use the d16z6 that ive been using and build that(last question) how much would it cost for me to drop off the car and pick it up a few days later with the motor sleeved and built. im guessing that exospeedAMcrx has had alot of dealings in this sort of thing so the last questions is aimed at him, but if someone has done this befor throw me a estimate

 

3000 for built block(including head gasket sleeves, pistons, rods, water and oil pump)
1500 for fully built head port and polished
or
850 for valve springs retainers
300 dollars for zex turbo cam(optional)
1000 dollars labor

do u have a clutch that can handle it?

 

no not yet

 

u wouldnt get the car back in a few days if u plan on getting it sleeved, unless u get the sleeves done locally, which would usually get fucked up unless u have a known company near you

 

so whats a good place to send your block ?

 

well i got my block sleeved by benson, and assemled by earl, but theres a lot of places that can do it properly, most local companies that dont do it very often often have issues with sleeves sinking.

 

Laskey Racing can send you a Benson sleeved block w/ CP pistons/Manley rods for about 3300. That's a complete bottom end, but you need to send them a core. I'd imagine a couple of weeks turn around time.

Look at around 1500 for the head (already stated).

I was told for 400whp on a SOHC you'd probably need a twin-disc clutch, which are not cheap.

So that's roughtly $5500 for a fully built motor.

Then you'll probably want LSD to help with the inevetible traction issues (OBX $500, Qualife $900)

And upgraded axles (400whp turbo axles from Laskey Racing- $620 shipped) or get them from autozone for around $60 a piece w/ lifetime warranty and replace them very often.

 

i doubt hell need manley rods, he can save the money and get eagles

 

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When I was looking at 400whp I was told to get the Manleys because there's a good chance the eagle's will start to bend at those power levels, plus the Manleys allow for growth. Just repeating what I was told at a local tuner shop.