kabaroo

ok, right now i am driving a 95 del sol si with a greddy kit. its alot of fun but like most i want more. i have RC 440's, hondata, fuel pump. i was going to get it tuned but then i decided not to waste my money on tuning if i was going to build my motor over the winter. i would have only got 3 months before winter.

ANYWAYS, my plan is to sell the greddy kit and make my own and to build my motor. there are a few limiting factors that i have previously bought. those being the RC 440's and ACT XTSS pressure plate and street disk.

What turbo would you all recommend that would be good for about 300-350whp on a d16z6? An


-My ideal setup-
-sfp mani
-tial 35/38mmWG - what bar spring would i want?
-unknown turbo - HT's finest help me out.
-FMIC supporting up to 400hp - maybe JRC?
-2.25 charge pipes - are 2.5 too big?
-full 3 inch exhaust
-autometer oil pressure and boost guage, maybe egt

-Fuel management-
-RC 440s
-Walbo 255 lph
-Hondata s200 w/ boost only
-turbo xs HP MBC

-Bottom End-
-eagle rods
-CP pistons (open to suggestions on bottom end parts)
-all new bearings...
-APR headstuds

I am also debating on sleeving my block, if i did funding would be real tight. if not it would be much easier, but then reliability comes into play. i have searched and i see that 300whp is about the limit on stock sleeves. there will always be people pushing huge #'s on stock parts but i want reliability too.


I will clearly state my questions.

1. With the above fuel management can i make 300whp approx. on slock sleeves

2. What turbo would you get to make approx. 300whp. and i should prolly have room to grow. SC50? SC34? i want it to pull hard all the way to redline, my 15g cuts out. So basically the best turbo for about 300-350 whp.

3. are Rc 440s big enough? would 550s be better?

4. will a SFP turbo mani help me spool any better than a revhard? i dont want a log mani.

5. should i go with a electronic boost controller to help control my boost? profec b?

6. anything you would like to add. im not a total nub to turbos, i want to make a concrete list of what i wanna do so i can start this.


thanks to all that respond.


and buy my turbo kit https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1028238



Modified by kabaroo at 2:22 PM 10/28/2004

eddyboy

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1. With the above fuel management can i make 300whp approx. on slock sleeves

2. What turbo would you get to make approx. 300whp. and i should prolly have room to grow. SC50? SC34? i want it to pull hard all the way to redline, my 15g cuts out. So basically the best turbo for about 300-350 whp.

3. are Rc 440s big enough? would 550s be better?

4. will a SFP turbo mani help me spool any better than a revhard? i dont want a log mani.

5. should i go with a electronic boost controller to help control my boost? profec b?

6. anything you would like to add. im not a total nub to turbos, i want to make a concrete list of what i wanna do so i can start this.


thanks to all that respond.


and buy my turbo kit https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1028238
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Your build and goals sound similar to my own so here is my input as I've already decided on all the parts I needed to get through countless hours of research.

1. Your fuel managment sounds good but ditch the 440 and go with 550s if you plan on hitting 300whp.

2. I'm going with a GT2871r for my setup. It costed a grip but will be great for our small displacement d16z6 motors. It supports up to 400whp and is dual ball bearing so it will spool great. But quite honestly you can hit your goals quite nicely with a SC50.

3. Go with 550s

4. Can't really help you on that one.

5. Depends on how much you really want to spend and what features you want to get out of it. I want gear or speed dependent boost control so I need to pay more for it. But figure out what features you want and get the controller which does the job wether it be manual or electronic.

GL

kabaroo

basiaclly with the BC i want to switch between high and low boost. and your sure about switching to 550s?

Devine

Definately ditch the 440's, your going to need 550's or higher if you want to attain your goal. The sc50 would be a great turbo to use as stated earlier, your basica t3/t4 57 trim can also get your there. In my opinon if your only shooting for 300 whp get scat (on ebay for 275) or eagle rods, if your on a budget run the suzuki vitara pistons(123 shipped with rings from member FJT, if not a forged piston of your choice. skip the sleeves, general rule of thumb is they are safe up to 350whp(D series are the same thickness as b series). The sfp manifold or any other manifold for that matter will get you where you need to be, that basically depends on how much money your willing to spend and what quality you want, i chose a lovefab and im perfectly happy with it. As far as intercooler piping goes i chose 2.25 but 2.5 would suit you just as well. You may want to look into precisions line up of intercoolers, they are EXTREMELY efficient but cost a buck.
You should also start looking into suspension mods while your at it, 300whp is useless if you cant put it to the ground, i would pick up a set of traction bars(they can interfere with your intercooler piping if you do this later) and also look into a stronger clutch disk. You should be fine running a 9lb spring or higher, depending on what kind of power you want for low boost, but than again this is all adjustable if you run a boost controller, id recomend the profec b, avc-r if your a baller and got the money for it. One topic that hasnt been touched on yet is your head, one of the main reasons d series dont put up as strong of numbers as b series is the head, get a good port and polish and a decent intake manifold and throttle body, throw in a turbo friendly cam and some valvesprings and retainers with some oversized valves and rev that bitch to get a decent powerband.

kabaroo

thank you for the great resonses

also i only have 92 octane available!


Modified by kabaroo at 12:49 AM 10/28/2004

kabaroo

the more opinions the better

TTT

kabaroo

how does this sound?

-sc50 turbo
-2.5 IC piping or 2.25
-550s


Will the smaller precision FMIC be enough for 300whp? it says 350hp on the site.


wheres the best place to find a sc50? camp1320 i know has a great rep. Also, is it possible to order the turbo so that the intake part that connects to the mani opposite of the compressed air coming out? So its straight down, i have see some turbos that point to the radiator making a sharp 90 bend.

RyanEJ8

300whp is not nearly the limit of the stock D Series sleeves. Over 400whp has been done.

kabaroo

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thats not my concern anymore. i am looking for advise for other things like turbo size, injectors, size IC, exhaust mani list goes on.

kabaroo

bump for you D series ninjas

RyanEJ8

I like the idea of the SC50. It's what I'm using to achieve a similar power goal.

kabaroo

so to set this in stone, i should use a sc50 for approximately 300whp, and that the max hp ill be running. this turbo will be fine for a street d16?

anyone know how quick this thing spools up?

RyanEJ8

I'm probably going to start a huge argument by saying this, but get the .48 A/R for that SC50 and it will spool nicely. Be good for about 350-400whp too.

kabaroo

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thants exactly what i am thinking. also i just saw your thread on your setup... damn, i wish i could have a lovfab mani. haha. we had very similar goals.

and let the argument come. then maybe people will read this thread.

kabaroo

help me

SC50 .48 AR?

yellowturbo

hey just look at my setup it will give you a good idea... If I was you I would go with Benson sleeves I use them and love them. Use a 50 trim not a 57... so a SC50 is a good choice and many D serie run this turbo... so its a safe choice...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=851490

kabaroo

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i have determined not to sleeve my block. i simply cannot afford it with school.

yellowturbo

ok but the rest of the information are good for you ! good luck with your project !

kabaroo

Ahhhh now im back to that question

SC50 .48ar

or

SC50 .63ar


HELP me choose!

i would like so see full boost, about 15 psi at 4k rpms? maybe 4.5k

help me

kabaroo

why doesnt anyone like this thread

RyanEJ8

Go with the .48 A/R it will meet your power goals and spool faster than the .63 A/R. You are keeping the stock redline correct?

norcalcrx

We run an sc50 with the .63 a/r and the 76 wheel trim on our y8. We have full boost of 10 psi by around 4400rpm with the sfp manifold. So its up to you on what a/r you want and how much power you want to make.

kabaroo

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stock for now probably

kabaroo

OK, update!

i got a deal on a SS tubural Mani. (not SSAC)

so with that as my mani should i get .48 or .63 AR? please some more advise.

kabaroo

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