Crome Vs Ectune
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
It really amuses me how i'll informed some people are and attempt to rate or give feedback on a product. If you are not a Crome authorized tuning shop then quit misrepresenting Crome products.
Crome Pro is what's generally available to the public and it's for a single user license. Unfortunately, people take advantage of this and tune other peoples car with it, essentially robbing the developers. For the record, Crome Pro doesn't support the same 3 step available in Crome Gold or Ectune or Neptune dealer software. If you didn't know, it's no big deal. But don't flat out say that it doesn't support 2step (actually a 3 step since there is a TPS % threshold adjustment in addition to fuel and ignition) since Crome Gold (dealer version) does support this function.
Crome Gold is for dealers. The 3 step is the same exact 3 step supported by Ectune, Neptune and Hondata. Boost control by gear is the same. No ostrich or hulog connection issues. The IAC duty cycle is adjustable, even with Crome Pro. Smooth vtec engagement. The demon is fully suported by Crome as well. Do I really need to go on?
My last 2 most recent Crome Gold dyno sessions:
This setup belongs to Tony who brought his car over from Charlotte for some upgrades and a Crome Gold tune. This was using 3rd gear and revving to 7k rpms.
D16Z6
Stock Cam
Eagle Rods
Suzuki Vitara Pistons
8.5:1 static compression ratio
Ebay t3/t4 57trim .60 a/r (23-24psi) (manual boost controller has a little fluctuation) (retune on turbonects t3t/t4 coming next week)
Ram horn Manifold
Y8 intake manifold
1000cc Precision injectors
Walbro 255
93 octane
stock B20b
arp head studs
cosmetic headgasket
eBay turbo kit
12-13 psi (manual boost controller has a little fluctuation)
Please stop misrepresenting Crome products. I'll say it one last time, at the end, the functions supported and the end results are the same no matter if you're using, Neptune, Crome, or Ectune dealer software. The only difference is marketing.
Crome Pro is what's generally available to the public and it's for a single user license. Unfortunately, people take advantage of this and tune other peoples car with it, essentially robbing the developers. For the record, Crome Pro doesn't support the same 3 step available in Crome Gold or Ectune or Neptune dealer software. If you didn't know, it's no big deal. But don't flat out say that it doesn't support 2step (actually a 3 step since there is a TPS % threshold adjustment in addition to fuel and ignition) since Crome Gold (dealer version) does support this function.
Crome Gold is for dealers. The 3 step is the same exact 3 step supported by Ectune, Neptune and Hondata. Boost control by gear is the same. No ostrich or hulog connection issues. The IAC duty cycle is adjustable, even with Crome Pro. Smooth vtec engagement. The demon is fully suported by Crome as well. Do I really need to go on?
My last 2 most recent Crome Gold dyno sessions:
This setup belongs to Tony who brought his car over from Charlotte for some upgrades and a Crome Gold tune. This was using 3rd gear and revving to 7k rpms.
D16Z6
Stock Cam
Eagle Rods
Suzuki Vitara Pistons
8.5:1 static compression ratio
Ebay t3/t4 57trim .60 a/r (23-24psi) (manual boost controller has a little fluctuation) (retune on turbonects t3t/t4 coming next week)
Ram horn Manifold
Y8 intake manifold
1000cc Precision injectors
Walbro 255
93 octane
stock B20b
arp head studs
cosmetic headgasket
eBay turbo kit
12-13 psi (manual boost controller has a little fluctuation)
Please stop misrepresenting Crome products. I'll say it one last time, at the end, the functions supported and the end results are the same no matter if you're using, Neptune, Crome, or Ectune dealer software. The only difference is marketing.
OH really? I have data to prove you wrong. I have TESTED the actual timing on crome, hondata, and neptune. There is a point with crome, you can not subtract timing. I am a crome dealer, been for what like 5 years now? I stopped tuning it.
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
Crome Gold is for dealers. The 3 step is the same exact 3 step supported by Ectune, Neptune and Hondata. Boost control by gear is the same. No ostrich or hulog connection issues. The IAC duty cycle is adjustable, even with Crome Pro. Smooth vtec engagement. The demon is fully suported by Crome as well. Do I really need to go on?
Also, the boost control by gear, is that only working for Crome Dealers? I was not aware that it had been figured out and worked with Crome now. Can you give any further details?
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
Yes, you will need to dowload the latest firmware from Crome for Demon support.
I know boost by gear works for dealers (Crome Gold). I'll have to check tonight if it's enabled for Crome Pro (single user license) and I can let you know. Let me know if there is anything else you'de like to know in the mean time.
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
I was a beta tester for Crome gold. I know what works and does not. People think crome works great because they do not know better.
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So what you're saying is that the beta version and the release version are the same thing? Lost credability because I simply stated my personal experience with it? Ohhhhk. Personally, I think it works great because it responds to every command like it should and those changes reflect on the dyno charts as expected. If it didn't, I would of kicked it to the side a long time ago.
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
From my experience with GOLD, it works great. i have no issues or hiccups with it. However, the boost controller function of GOLD does not work. i tested it and nothing i did allowed for control of boost. Using the EGR output (not an option in GOLD) will probably fix this problem.
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Crome GOLD has taken care of the timing issues crome initially had. and for PRO users you can add the timing script to allow you to run <15* timing. If crome didnt allow for timing less than 15* then how would it have an actually working 2-step that lets you pull timing
From my experience with GOLD, it works great. i have no issues or hiccups with it. However, the boost controller function of GOLD does not work. i tested it and nothing i did allowed for control of boost. Using the EGR output (not an option in GOLD) will probably fix this problem.
From my experience with GOLD, it works great. i have no issues or hiccups with it. However, the boost controller function of GOLD does not work. i tested it and nothing i did allowed for control of boost. Using the EGR output (not an option in GOLD) will probably fix this problem.
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
i was using the MAC solenoid (got it from xenocron). you have had luck with getting gold to control boost? i used a GSR ecu with the IAB output A17.
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It worked on a p28 and p30 ecu although I had to use A17 on one and A20 on the other. I don't remember which one used which.
I have a customer who may want this option on his ECU next week. I believe it's either a P28 or P72 if I'm not mistaken using an AEM solenoid which if I remember correctly it's basically a MAC. I'll make sure to make a vid of it in action if he does want this feature and let the video speak for itself. If it works, it works and if it doesn't, it doesn't. Simple as that. I sorta like to have solid proof when discussing controversial topics.
Update: customer just purchased the boost by gear components for soldering. Expect results next week or the week after at the latest.
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So what you're saying is that the beta version and the release version are the same thing? Lost credability because I simply stated my personal experience with it? Ohhhhk. Personally, I think it works great because it responds to every command like it should and those changes reflect on the dyno charts as expected. If it didn't, I would of kicked it to the side a long time ago.
You stated that, everyone is misleading Crome and it is because they do not support Crome. Odds are, I have been a dealer for Crome longer then you. I have seen it change, tested gold, used it after it was released. It is the same software, with close to the same bugs. You can say what you want until you are blue in the face, but until you have something better then a dyno sheet, you are just pissing in the wind.
Crome GOLD has taken care of the timing issues crome initially had. and for PRO users you can add the timing script to allow you to run <15* timing. If crome didnt allow for timing less than 15* then how would it have an actually working 2-step that lets you pull timing
From my experience with GOLD, it works great. i have no issues or hiccups with it. However, the boost controller function of GOLD does not work. i tested it and nothing i did allowed for control of boost. Using the EGR output (not an option in GOLD) will probably fix this problem.
From my experience with GOLD, it works great. i have no issues or hiccups with it. However, the boost controller function of GOLD does not work. i tested it and nothing i did allowed for control of boost. Using the EGR output (not an option in GOLD) will probably fix this problem.
BTW: "Update: customer just purchased the boost by gear components for soldering. Expect results next week or the week after at the latest."
That is the EGR curcuit. Crome as of 3 weeks ago does not have that option.
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So, Motec and Crome work the same? Yes, dyno sheets are the best way to test everything. You know, testing the actual timing will never be as good as a dyno sheet. You should teach engineering classes, with your dyno sheet theory.
You stated that, everyone is misleading Crome and it is because they do not support Crome. Odds are, I have been a dealer for Crome longer then you. I have seen it change, tested gold, used it after it was released. It is the same software, with close to the same bugs. You can say what you want until you are blue in the face, but until you have something better then a dyno sheet, you are just pissing in the wind.
Incorrect. I tested gold. It was a hair better then regular. It is not a "less then XX" timing thing, it is more like, Crome has little control over the background timing.
BTW: "Update: customer just purchased the boost by gear components for soldering. Expect results next week or the week after at the latest."
That is the EGR curcuit. Crome as of 3 weeks ago does not have that option.
You stated that, everyone is misleading Crome and it is because they do not support Crome. Odds are, I have been a dealer for Crome longer then you. I have seen it change, tested gold, used it after it was released. It is the same software, with close to the same bugs. You can say what you want until you are blue in the face, but until you have something better then a dyno sheet, you are just pissing in the wind.
Incorrect. I tested gold. It was a hair better then regular. It is not a "less then XX" timing thing, it is more like, Crome has little control over the background timing.
BTW: "Update: customer just purchased the boost by gear components for soldering. Expect results next week or the week after at the latest."
That is the EGR curcuit. Crome as of 3 weeks ago does not have that option.
I agree with you on the overall timing control of crome. there should be an option that will disable cromes extra control of ignition timing after a certain load like how ectune does it.
i am still skeptical that the boost control function will work if EGR is not the output. But Spent is saying it works. i will put it to the test
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Re: Crome Vs Ectune
I've read the whole thread and am a bit confused. Just wondering how I could set up for speed dependent boost control using a selenoid? My setup is very humble and I'm just starting out with my first turbo experience. I'm boosting a HOnda oddy with a jdm f22b 2.2 liter 4 cyl engine. Got a t3 garrett, Synapse BOV and Synapse 44mm WG. For my Fuel management, I've purchase an B&M Fpr (mod spring) and the Fp guage and I've got a turbo basemap (from a guy on ebay with experince) for the chipped p75 ecu. I don't like to use Fmu or the missing link (too primative) but at the same time, I'm not ready to buy the hondata. However, since I've got an automatic tranny, i want to be able to have a realiable boost management system. I'm reading about how you're all using selenoids to control boost. Now for my setup, is it remotely possible to connect the Synapse 44mm wastegate to a selenoid and somehow control it with the ECU (chrome based)? What's the boost by gear kit and can it be installed in my ecu? Sorry for the confusion.. If someone could enlighten me, i'd be greatful.
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