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Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you need to use an LS Bin just take the GSR bin and disable vtec + vtec features. That's what I did and my LS is running perfectly on 450's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or just use the right bin
Although I have done that before when I was super pissed.
Or just use the right bin
Although I have done that before when I was super pissed.
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Re: (93turbo16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93turbo16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Or just use the right bin
Although I have done that before when I was super pissed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The LS Bin is corrupt (StockLS.bin) (on some versions atleast), so Importing a GSR bin and disabling vtec/setting the revs differently IS the right bin
Or just use the right bin
Although I have done that before when I was super pissed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The LS Bin is corrupt (StockLS.bin) (on some versions atleast), so Importing a GSR bin and disabling vtec/setting the revs differently IS the right bin
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Has anyone ever had any problems with Chrome not accepting changes when burnt to a chip?
Problem I'm having is that after having installed my turbo in my ls/vtec and putting it on the dyno to tune with Chrome it leans right out around 4500rpm. Attempting to change the parameters using a laptop/romulator netted no changes. So we started using a burner to burn the GSR bin and get the car going, then make changes, do a reburn and try again etc. Pain in the *** because no changes were ever recorded from what we could tell. Kept leaning out.
LS/Vtec OBD1 P28 chipped ecu. 460cc injectors, etc. Help? Thoughts?
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Problem I'm having is that after having installed my turbo in my ls/vtec and putting it on the dyno to tune with Chrome it leans right out around 4500rpm. Attempting to change the parameters using a laptop/romulator netted no changes. So we started using a burner to burn the GSR bin and get the car going, then make changes, do a reburn and try again etc. Pain in the *** because no changes were ever recorded from what we could tell. Kept leaning out.
LS/Vtec OBD1 P28 chipped ecu. 460cc injectors, etc. Help? Thoughts?
-Rik
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Re: crome or uberdata (the.hamburglar)
i have been using uberdata for quite some time now......probably 3 years or so......never had any real trouble with it.......and usually when there is a problem its usually a user/chip buring error.
i just wish there was still more support for it since i always found it easier to use than crome.
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i just wish there was still more support for it since i always found it easier to use than crome.
Modified by non-VTEC at 7:34 PM 3/21/2006
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Re: crome or uberdata (non-VTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by non-VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i just wish there was still more support for it since i always found it easier to use than crome.</TD></TR></TABLE>
really...ive always found crome ot easier to setup and get going...only thing i miss is the graphs...but anyone w/ excel can figure that out...aside from that ive always found crome to be more stable..
really...ive always found crome ot easier to setup and get going...only thing i miss is the graphs...but anyone w/ excel can figure that out...aside from that ive always found crome to be more stable..
Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The LS Bin is corrupt (StockLS.bin) (on some versions atleast), so Importing a GSR bin and disabling vtec/setting the revs differently IS the right bin</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not all of them are. If you DL the official version any 1.70 version or later is compatible. You can get the bin from there. And they aren't the same.
And here is the difference between the timing maps and why you shouldn't use one map for the other.
GSR low cam
P75 Low cam (only cam
)
The LS Bin is corrupt (StockLS.bin) (on some versions atleast), so Importing a GSR bin and disabling vtec/setting the revs differently IS the right bin
</TD></TR></TABLE>Not all of them are. If you DL the official version any 1.70 version or later is compatible. You can get the bin from there. And they aren't the same.
And here is the difference between the timing maps and why you shouldn't use one map for the other.
GSR low cam
P75 Low cam (only cam
)
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Re: (93turbo16)
i my dabbling with free edu editors i found that on crome the car runs smoother than uberdata.
However uber has datalogging built in, and as people have already said do as much research and trial and error as you can... pgmfi learning is free and worth the invested time
However uber has datalogging built in, and as people have already said do as much research and trial and error as you can... pgmfi learning is free and worth the invested time
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Re: (93turbo16)
Never used crome but I have tuned lots of turbo hondas with uberdata and never really had any problems, great reliability, power, smoothness, and I find it very easy to use. The lack of uber support has made me want to use crome and once my turbo setup on my personal car I plan on switching over.
As far as using a GSR low cam for an LS, its perfectly fine if the timing numbers are different. its a TUNING program. you change the numbers
As far as using a GSR low cam for an LS, its perfectly fine if the timing numbers are different. its a TUNING program. you change the numbers
Re: (Bailhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
As far as using a GSR low cam for an LS, its perfectly fine if the timing numbers are different. its a TUNING program. you change the numbers </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats all well and good if you want to change half of the map. Why not start with the right one. That makes more sense to me. When using a GSR map on an LS I have gotten stupid part throttle hiccups and had to add timing to make it smooth. This was a while when I did actualy do what kowalski suggested. But found the problem to actually be in the map itself. Changed to a new map, and the hesistation was gone. This was last spring/summer so a lot has changed.
As far as using a GSR low cam for an LS, its perfectly fine if the timing numbers are different. its a TUNING program. you change the numbers
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats all well and good if you want to change half of the map. Why not start with the right one. That makes more sense to me. When using a GSR map on an LS I have gotten stupid part throttle hiccups and had to add timing to make it smooth. This was a while when I did actualy do what kowalski suggested. But found the problem to actually be in the map itself. Changed to a new map, and the hesistation was gone. This was last spring/summer so a lot has changed.
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Re: (93turbo16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93turbo16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not all of them are. If you DL the official version any 1.70 version or later is compatible. You can get the bin from there. And they aren't the same.
And here is the difference between the timing maps and why you shouldn't use one map for the other.
GSR low cam
P75 Low cam (only cam )
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You're right. I messed up my first post. This is how I got my LS bin:
Import Stock GSR.bin
Then click Import -> P75/P72 -> Stock LS.bin
My timing maps look exactly like the LS you have on there.
Tada.
Not all of them are. If you DL the official version any 1.70 version or later is compatible. You can get the bin from there. And they aren't the same.
And here is the difference between the timing maps and why you shouldn't use one map for the other.
GSR low cam
P75 Low cam (only cam
)</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're right. I messed up my first post. This is how I got my LS bin:
Import Stock GSR.bin
Then click Import -> P75/P72 -> Stock LS.bin
My timing maps look exactly like the LS you have on there.
Tada.
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Re: (93turbo16)
But yeah I wish there was some continuing work on Uberdata... It's such nice software. I have crome too but I'm not bothering with it because I can't datalog on the freeware.
What other benefits are there to getting Crome Pro?
By the way, I still get some part throttle hiccups every once in a while... Usually in 3rd when I have my foot just barely touching the gas at like 21ish HG/IN at 3000 or so RPM. You add timing to get rid of that?
What other benefits are there to getting Crome Pro?
By the way, I still get some part throttle hiccups every once in a while... Usually in 3rd when I have my foot just barely touching the gas at like 21ish HG/IN at 3000 or so RPM. You add timing to get rid of that?
Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But yeah I wish there was some continuing work on Uberdata... It's such nice software. I have crome too but I'm not bothering with it because I can't datalog on the freeware.
What other benefits are there to getting Crome Pro?
By the way, I still get some part throttle hiccups every once in a while... Usually in 3rd when I have my foot just barely touching the gas at like 21ish HG/IN at 3000 or so RPM. You add timing to get rid of that?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Either add a tad bit of timing or move the map cut to 14.
There is continuing work with uberdata. If you haven't noticed everything gets ported to uberdata that crome gets. The freeware community is generous. Except for the crome pro additions, and that is obvious why.
I will say I have tuned with crome pro, and I do like it a lot. I just don't like paying money now that things are free and its nice to support the freeware stuff. But crome pro is defintley a great software.
What other benefits are there to getting Crome Pro?
By the way, I still get some part throttle hiccups every once in a while... Usually in 3rd when I have my foot just barely touching the gas at like 21ish HG/IN at 3000 or so RPM. You add timing to get rid of that?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Either add a tad bit of timing or move the map cut to 14.
There is continuing work with uberdata. If you haven't noticed everything gets ported to uberdata that crome gets. The freeware community is generous. Except for the crome pro additions, and that is obvious why.
I will say I have tuned with crome pro, and I do like it a lot. I just don't like paying money now that things are free and its nice to support the freeware stuff. But crome pro is defintley a great software.
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Re: (Bailhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never used crome but I have tuned lots of turbo hondas with uberdata and never really had any problems, great reliability, power, smoothness, and I find it very easy to use. The lack of uber support has made me want to use crome and once my turbo setup on my personal car I plan on switching over.
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dont worry...youll know it in a few weeks you wont be dissapointed i certainly wasnt after switching from uber...esp w/ the great support already seen here...not even on its own forum
waiting on some steel for my traction bars and to get this other kids ride boosted...so i can get my new tires...
pgmfi.org
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dont worry...youll know it in a few weeks you wont be dissapointed i certainly wasnt after switching from uber...esp w/ the great support already seen here...not even on its own forum
waiting on some steel for my traction bars and to get this other kids ride boosted...so i can get my new tires...
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Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is your burner configured properly?
What kind of chips are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the chip that is being used is: sst chip , p#27sf512
As for the burner, it should be configured properly. Guy who is helping me has even done his own and its working just fine.
-Rik
What kind of chips are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the chip that is being used is: sst chip , p#27sf512
As for the burner, it should be configured properly. Guy who is helping me has even done his own and its working just fine.
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Re: (blundar)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blundar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(And if any Uberdata people wanna port the new-style fuel tools to Uber, PM me. I write code for ECUs not for editors. )</TD></TR></TABLE>
I e-mailed you and told you I would be willing to do anything to help Uberdata. I would love to port stuff into Uberdata. I write code for editors, not assembly for ECUs .
)</TD></TR></TABLE>I e-mailed you and told you I would be willing to do anything to help Uberdata. I would love to port stuff into Uberdata. I write code for editors, not assembly for ECUs
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Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is how I got my LS bin:
Import Stock GSR.bin
Then click Import -> P75/P72 -> Stock LS.bin</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ding ding ding. We have a winnAr. That is EXACTLY how Uberdata 1.70 is supposed to work. If anyone would read the how to make a basemap post you will see you ALWAYS start with StockGSR.bin and then import the fuel and ignition maps from the bin file you want to use. The reason for this is that the Uberdata code such as datalogging and boost only resides in the StockGSR.bin file now. The only good information in those import only bin files is the fuel and ignition tables. Really to simplify things someone should do exactly what is listed above and create a new zip file for Uberdata that has a bunch of properly made bin files, but that would be too easy for the n00bs.
Import Stock GSR.bin
Then click Import -> P75/P72 -> Stock LS.bin</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ding ding ding. We have a winnAr. That is EXACTLY how Uberdata 1.70 is supposed to work. If anyone would read the how to make a basemap post you will see you ALWAYS start with StockGSR.bin and then import the fuel and ignition maps from the bin file you want to use. The reason for this is that the Uberdata code such as datalogging and boost only resides in the StockGSR.bin file now. The only good information in those import only bin files is the fuel and ignition tables. Really to simplify things someone should do exactly what is listed above and create a new zip file for Uberdata that has a bunch of properly made bin files, but that would be too easy for the n00bs.
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Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But yeah I wish there was some continuing work on Uberdata... It's such nice software.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The problem is that no one has the sourcecode for Uberdata so the editor itself can't change other than what can be added and finessed with the scripting support. The important code is actually in the .bin file which is really assembly such as the datalogging code and once that is made it can be used in Crome, Uberdata, and any other such .bin file. I personally wasn't happy with the Uberdata datalogging and since I couldn't change it, I made my own datalogging program that utilizes the Uberdata datalogging code in the ECU.
The problem is that no one has the sourcecode for Uberdata so the editor itself can't change other than what can be added and finessed with the scripting support. The important code is actually in the .bin file which is really assembly such as the datalogging code and once that is made it can be used in Crome, Uberdata, and any other such .bin file. I personally wasn't happy with the Uberdata datalogging and since I couldn't change it, I made my own datalogging program that utilizes the Uberdata datalogging code in the ECU.
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Re: (King Tut33)
i have tried importing the stockls bin after opening the gsr bin. does not work that way. still cant get any file to work that i made in uberdata. only crome is working.
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Re: (King Tut33)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by King Tut33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The problem is that no one has the sourcecode for Uberdata so the editor itself can't change other than what can be added and finessed with the scripting support. The important code is actually in the .bin file which is really assembly such as the datalogging code and once that is made it can be used in Crome, Uberdata, and any other such .bin file. I personally wasn't happy with the Uberdata datalogging and since I couldn't change it, I made my own datalogging program that utilizes the Uberdata datalogging code in the ECU.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I know. I wish Blake would either sell or release the source code... It's not doing anyone any good just sitting there.
What can't you change on Uberdata's datalogging?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have tried importing the stockls bin after opening the gsr bin. does not work that way. still cant get any file to work that i made in uberdata. only crome is working.</TD></TR></TABLE>
More info??
The problem is that no one has the sourcecode for Uberdata so the editor itself can't change other than what can be added and finessed with the scripting support. The important code is actually in the .bin file which is really assembly such as the datalogging code and once that is made it can be used in Crome, Uberdata, and any other such .bin file. I personally wasn't happy with the Uberdata datalogging and since I couldn't change it, I made my own datalogging program that utilizes the Uberdata datalogging code in the ECU.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I know. I wish Blake would either sell or release the source code... It's not doing anyone any good just sitting there.
What can't you change on Uberdata's datalogging?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have tried importing the stockls bin after opening the gsr bin. does not work that way. still cant get any file to work that i made in uberdata. only crome is working.</TD></TR></TABLE>
More info??
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Re: (Kowalski)
I struggled with Uberdata for about 8 months. I spent a ton of time researching, troubleshooting, and tuning, but never got the car to run very well. The faults that I saw with Uberdata were the lack of support, innacurate datalogging, and alot of times they were coming out with new version without having the previous version running correctly. But you cant complain for a program that is completely free and I think that they guys who are writing the scripts are extremely generous. I learned alot from messing around with Uberdata, but it still frustrates me that I couldnt get the car to run right. Oh well, maybe Ill try Crome in the future.
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Re: (Kowalski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kowalski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What can't you change on Uberdata's datalogging?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't change everything. Yeah you can add a new wideband o2 sensor and formula for it, but it just isn't user friendly and often gives bad values. It doesn't have any intelligence to get rid of deceleration values. Everyone has issues with it at some point, so I made a standalone datalogging program I call Uber Log. I had a couple guys helping me beta test it, but I haven't worked on it in a couple months. Once I am sure it is solid I was going to release it on the Uberdata and pgmfi forums. What people don't realize is once the datalogging code is in your .bin file then you can use any program to datalog as long as you know how the code in the ECU works. Uberdata .bin files have a certain datalogging code and with a plugin you can put datalogging code into Crome .bin files as well.
You can't change everything. Yeah you can add a new wideband o2 sensor and formula for it, but it just isn't user friendly and often gives bad values. It doesn't have any intelligence to get rid of deceleration values. Everyone has issues with it at some point, so I made a standalone datalogging program I call Uber Log. I had a couple guys helping me beta test it, but I haven't worked on it in a couple months. Once I am sure it is solid I was going to release it on the Uberdata and pgmfi forums. What people don't realize is once the datalogging code is in your .bin file then you can use any program to datalog as long as you know how the code in the ECU works. Uberdata .bin files have a certain datalogging code and with a plugin you can put datalogging code into Crome .bin files as well.
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Re: (King Tut33)
so now if i can get uberdata working which i would like to because its free, i am now going to have problems data logging. and then once i get that going the numbers might not even be that accurate? i dont know what to think. i cannot put alot of trust in this program. i hate it when stuff doesnt work. and when searching there is some stuff but its very foggy. once i get it figured out, i am going to make one hardcore "beginners how to"