<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Something wrong with 10" vac for sure.

However, you will probably need to set up a boost only line regardless. All you need to do is put a barb fitting in the charge piping with some sealant and then hook it up to the SIDE port on the BOV.

You will also need the vacuum source on the two nipples on the rear of the BOV.



If you don't have vacuum leaks the BOV will work perfect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not trying to start ****, but that seems really complicated. I like the one hose hookup of the TiAL.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gogunkergorilla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The two in the back are teed together then tee to the map sensor, then connect to the intake manifold. The fitting on the side is not connected to anything.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You really gotta change that the map is the life of your motor.

 

Exactly as Sov has setup below, put a boost-only source to port C, the one on the side that you aren't using. You can tee the compressor-to-wastegate line as well and use that to avoid any tapping of fittings into the intercooler pipe.

Using the boost-only source on port C, equalizes the force required to open the BOV, no matter how much boost you run.

What you are experiencing is Flutterdump, where it surges then dumps the air. This is due to a delay in the valve's time to open. Boost-only to port C fixes this on a vent-to-atmoshpere setup.


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k24em2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not trying to start ****, but that seems really complicated. I like the one hose hookup of the TiAL.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Routing vacuum lines via directions is too complicated?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Routing vacuum lines via directions is too complicated?</TD></TR></TABLE>
apparently reading a spring pressure chart is....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is your gauge reading in PSI or inHG? 10psi is ~20inHG, so -10psi is fine. 10inHG is way off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thought I was the only one that noticed that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Synapse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Exactly as Sov has setup below, put a boost-only source to port C, the one on the side that you aren't using. You can tee the compressor-to-wastegate line as well and use that to avoid any tapping of fittings into the intercooler pipe.

Using the boost-only source on port C, equalizes the force required to open the BOV, no matter how much boost you run.

What you are experiencing is Flutterdump, where it surges then dumps the air. This is due to a delay in the valve's time to open. Boost-only to port C fixes this on a vent-to-atmoshpere setup.


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Thanks, I'll try this today. I coulnd't find anything in the manual about what that port is used for, but it wasn't connected to anything in the diagram so I left it open.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is your gauge reading in PSI or inHG? 10psi is ~20inHG, so -10psi is fine. 10inHG is way off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting, -10psi is what I'm reading at idle from my AEM EMS with load units set to psi. When I change it to inHg it says about 11-12. Which one is correct?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gogunkergorilla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Interesting, -10psi is what I'm reading at idle from my AEM EMS with load units set to psi. When I change it to inHg it says about 11-12. Which one is correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is it reading -11-12inHG or +11-12inHG?

 

It reads low -10's in psi and between +11 and +12 in inHg. So evidently it's not converting the units correctly. I'll just call AEM and find out whats going on there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gogunkergorilla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It reads low -10's in psi and between +11 and +12 in inHg. So evidently it's not converting the units correctly. I'll just call AEM and find out whats going on there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Standard atmospheric pressure is 29.92 in-Hg. If its reading in absolute pressure, then you would be seeing ~17-18 in-Hg on a regular boost/vacuum gauge. When you switch to in-Hg, what does the entire scale look like?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TiAL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
apparently reading a spring pressure chart is....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dead serious question...

Are you old enough to see rated R movies without a parental guardian? You negatively represent TIAL just about as immaturely as you possibly could.

 

That seems to complicated, TiAL for me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridKOOP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Dead serious question...

Are you old enough to see rated R movies without a parental guardian? You negatively represent TIAL just about as immaturely as you possibly could. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dead serious question...

Are you smart enough to click my user profile? the only people that spit this jargon are the members with 'synapse engineering' in their sig

he's already been busted with two AE's and should be banned (VIA rules of honda-tech)...if you are looking for negative representation, look no further than Synapse himself

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Routing vacuum lines via directions is too complicated?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it just seems to be an excessive amount of them for something as simple as a blow off valve.

 

All of these ports are on the BOV for a reason. There are other accessories being developed that will make use of features already built into the Synchronic BOV. So the ports are necessary.

 

Hey Jake, I think that it is pretty cool that you guys will swap out springs for free for anyone that needs a different spring for their Tial 50mm BOV.

Will you guys do that also for anyone that needs a different spring pressure for their Tial wastegate? So that if someone wants to raise or lower their boost you'll swap out their spring for free?

Because with the Synapse wastegate, you don't even have to swap out springs to change base boost levels.

 

that we do not do - however if it's a two spring combo, it can be switched up, so if you ordered a big blue/small blue combo on a 44mm which is 20.3psi (good for 40.6psi w/o c02) they could use the big blue only which is 13psi or just the small blue which is 7.2psi

so by ordering the big blue/small blue on a 44 you are covered from 7 to 40.6psi of boost

 

I am just suprised you posted on your actual screen-name.

Either way a boost controller is ultimately ness. for the simpliest adjustment to boost pressure on the fly... in car being prefered here. I dont wanna pull over half track or on the street and switch vac. lines or make preload adjustment for more boost personally (hell I would rather change a spring) ... its worth the money to not have to mess with either. Anyways I just point that out because I personally would like some traction in lower gears and more boost when it hooks... being fwd and all... so using a boost controller to increase from a base pressure seems by fast the simplest, most effective route.

Points for leading this off topic though.

Back to the OP and the topic... did the multiple line setup not solve the problem?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k24em2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

No, it just seems to be an excessive amount of them for something as simple as a blow off valve.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Took me all of 2 minutes. *shrug*

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TiAL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the only people that spit this jargon are the members with 'synapse engineering' in their sig
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i think you are portraying Tial in a negative light too, and i have nothing to do with synapse.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gogunkergorilla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It reads low -10's in psi and between +11 and +12 in inHg. So evidently it's not converting the units correctly. I'll just call AEM and find out whats going on there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
at -10psi you should be at -20.36in/hg gauge pressure which is also +9.57in/hg absolute pressure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kelly. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think you are portraying Tial in a negative light too, and i have nothing to do with synapse.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think hes unreal, and i have a hard time beleiving that Tial appreciates u slandering there name with ur BS 2year old comments.

And to twkdCD595 about the boost controller statement,

the way i see it, ur gonna need a boost controller to change boost in car with either gate, but the synapse just allows u to do it w/o buying a controller, but of course requires u turning a wrench.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93supercoupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And to twkdCD595 about the boost controller statement,

the way i see it, ur gonna need a boost controller to change boost in car with either gate, but the synapse just allows u to do it w/o buying a controller, but of course requires u turning a wrench.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can do it, without a boost controller, by turning a wrench of course with the tial gate too... I also hope you are not implying that I dont work on my own car with the wrench turning comment but just the same you obviously can think what you want.

My point is that most people ultimately end up with a boost controller for many reasons... things like jumping out of your car in the middle of a road or track is kinda inconvient in my mind.

Even so, by the time you change around vac. lines and adjust preload on your syncronic gate and test it to make sure your configuration resulted in the desired pressure... in equal time or less I will bet money I could turn a allen wrench a few times and change the spring in the tial.

IMO the ability to change base pressure in a different way is a neat feature but not any more practical for people in the real world, so I find it to be a moot point... I guess though the frills and dressing is what sells these days. I personally have done well sticking to the kiss theory and focusing on more important things than a wastegates infinite tweaks that I dont need.

Sorry to the OP for adding to the off topic postings... I will leave my thoughts at that.

 

i was not implying that u dont do work, butall im saying that with either setup, ur goning to have to change something or adjust something and both of them would equally benifit off a good boost controler.

Its all prefrence.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93supercoupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was not implying that u dont do work, butall im saying that with either setup, ur goning to have to change something or adjust something and both of them would equally benifit off a good boost controler.

Its all prefrence. </TD></TR></TABLE>



Thank you for clarification, I see your point and would agree. Please dont get me wrong I am not trying to be an *** in my response, I just tend to come off that way naturally it seems... its nothing directed toward you personally or whatnot.