So, a couple days I was working on a customers boosted GSR hatch (EG) and i ran up on a problem... While installing his new Inline Pro manifold and Tial 38mm wastegateI was checking all the fitment, and something just didnt look right... Appeared that the wastegate was sticking up way too high... So, I gently tried to close the hood, and sure enough, I was right... The wastegate (without the air fitting on top mind you) sits just a tad too high, so the hood can not properly close...

Has anyone else ever had this problem using the Inline Pro on a BSeries swapped EG, or any other car for that matter???

I personally love the manifolds, just would like to know if this is a common problem so i can start making some elbows for future installs....

 

You can buy a 90 degree elbow to solve the hood hittin issue

 

I know I can buy the elbow, for that matter, I could even make one... I was just trying to see if this was a common problem... And if anything, just get it out so people are aware before they run into to the problem, to know in advance to order the elbow before the install....

 

I have a B-series in my 96 Civic 4 door with the Inline Mani and TiAL wg and have a similar problem. The fitting prevents my hood from closing, so I just cut a notch out from the skeleton of the hood. I'm worried about the engine moving though, so I'll eventually end up getting an elbow.

 

I thought about notching his hood, but the car is going to be show and go, so I chose not to do that.... He is also having the same issues with the motor moving due to bad mounts, but there is nothing we can do until i get his hasports in... I think the elbow will be the best solution for his case to keep everything looking "show quality"... Although, you have to like the sleeper appeal of a 500whp "show" car....

 

He could always goto a shorter Turbosmart wastegate.

 

I personally like the Turbo Smart wastegate... I never really thought about that... I might have to run that by him and see what we can pull off....

 

I know DA's have hood clearance issues with the IP and Tial. Definitely need an elbow or hood notched

 

yes the solution to this is to run a Turbosmart Ultragate. Inline uses turbosmart on their manifolds, not only because it actually fits, but because the Ultragates are better than the Tials

 

I had to run an elbow, there was no way the hood would shut in my EG with b18

 

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Woah ... Who has proven this? TiAL makes great products and I cant see anyone saying XYZ is better than TiAL.

 

I would have to see hard facts to believe that... I have NEVER heard of anyone having problems with the Tial products, period... I personally run a Tial wastegate on my car, and I find it to be perfect... No spike (except on wet pavement on street tires which was found to be the EBC I am using), no creep, and no boost falling off anywhere.... How can you say the Turbosmart is better than the Tial, without any hard facts, or supporting evidence???

 

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And the fact you need a vacuum box so you can redo all your vacuum lines

 

Common problem for the B16/EG guys. Look into the elbow. If you can custom make them try to get it to go a little past 90* even to make sure it clears the hood.

 

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And the fact you need a vacuum box so you can redo all your vacuum lines </TD></TR></TABLE>

Also very true... Know anyone selling one????

 

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Also very true... Know anyone selling one???? </TD></TR></TABLE>

If your serious and have $40.00 I will sell you mine tonight.

 

Or tomorrow night as I will probably be out.

 

I might take you up on that... Although, Im hoping your car will be together soon so you may be needing that.... I'll let you know... I just saw you called, so I will be calling you back in a few minutes, or just IM me if you are online

 

Im curious if this hood fitment issue is just a civic problem or do all hondas have the fitment issue with the Tial/Inlinepro combo??

scott

 

I was wondering the same thing, thats why i was hoping for a better response then ive gotten so far.....

 

chris look at my hood next time.............nice little or actually big dimple compliments of tial and my dumbass

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedCivicSedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would have to see hard facts to believe that... I have NEVER heard of anyone having problems with the Tial products, period... I personally run a Tial wastegate on my car, and I find it to be perfect... No spike (except on wet pavement on street tires which was found to be the EBC I am using), no creep, and no boost falling off anywhere.... How can you say the Turbosmart is better than the Tial, without any hard facts, or supporting evidence??? </TD></TR></TABLE>


You asked for it. Tial wastegates are made of sand casted 347ss, their valve is a two piece design, also made from sand casted 347ss.

Turbosmart wastegates are made of investment cast 253ma ss. They use a one piece design for their valves and the valve has 3mm more lift than a Tial.

347ss is stainless, yes... but it is a stainless steel that is high in carbon. 253ma ss is very low in carbon.
Think 347ss----------&gt;301ss--------------------253ma ss. When race gas is used in a Tial, carbon deposits will collect on the valve and cause the valve to gunk up. I have personally seen Tials fail after one use of race gas. 253ma allows the use of race gas all day long with no problems at all.

Sand casting will produce a good product, but it does not prevent rusting and corroding, that is why you will see Tial wastegates all rusted in engine bays. Investment casting is usually reserved for high end jewelry, and it is incredibly precise. Investment casting also prevents rusting and/or corroding.

so there you have it... if you only plan on a basic turbo setup, that will never see race gas and you don't mind having a rusty object in the front of your engine bay, Tial might be rigth for you. But if you want a serious wastegate, that will last forever with no problems... look into Turbosmart

Inline Pro uses Turbosmart, Phil from Element Tuning uses Turbosmart, Easy Street uses Turbosmart, Abel uses Turbosmart, the world record holder for front wheel drive and one power adder uses all Turbosmart (8.66 1/4 mile), Brent Rau swears by Turbosmart....

It is true, the Ultragate does cost a little more, but I'm was willing to spend a couple extra bucks to protect my several thousand $$$ investment

 

I have seen allot of TiAL wastegates but none with rust. I have seen HKS Standard wastegates with quite a bit of rust though. Also, the TiAL HP spring should be used leaded race gas. I see allot of paper facts but no real world comparisons.

 

As I said before, I PERSONALLY use a Tial, and many other people I know are running Tials as well.. They are one of THE MOST common valves around these parts right now... I have yet to see one rust as you are claiming, or fail due to the use of race gas as you are claiming... I actually run 117 octane leaded race gas in my car pretty often, and have yet to have a problem.. My valve still looks, and performs like brand new... I see you have a lot of knowledge on materials used, and Kutos to you for that... But that still is not real world proof... I will continue to use my Tial, and reccomend them to anyone I know, and if anything ever goes wrong, feel free to say "I told you so"...

Just keep in mind, I am not downing the Turbosmart gates at all, as I said before I do actually like them... But I just believe that if you make a statement like that, you should have more hard evidence... Not a bunch of scientific mumbo jumbo that hasnt been proved on the battlefield, which in this case happens to be the streets, and the 1320

 

I had the same clearance issue. I have a carbon fiber hood, and it just made a small dent to the underbody of the carbon fiber hood. I made it fit!