97integraLS911

i cant decide what i want to do with my build. CURRENTLY i am LS turbo. i am building a new engine right now starting with the head which is a b16 VTEC head. my question is which should i go with.. Built LS-V turbo or built b16 turbo???? i understand the displacement is different but i dont understand exactly what that means. what are the pro's and cons of either. thanks for the help

Goals: 400+ hp

Current setup:
b18b1
Garret .60 trim

Schister66

I would go with the LS/VTEC simply due to the added displacement. It'll help you get to your goal with a little less lag than the B16.

bluedragon

well I would ask this is your ls Vtec or no? and also I would go Ls vtec turbo, for one you have a bigger bottom end and the head is a lot stronger it's the same head that is on a type r from what I have bean told. so you will have longer stroke and vtec with hit sooner I think so.

97integraLS911

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ok thank u.
i still dont understand the displacement thing.. what exactly does it help with?

Schister66

Larger displacement = more air (volume in cylinders)
more air in and out = turbo spools faster
turbo spools faster = more midrange power
more midrange power = better on the street

97integraLS911

thank u.

any more opinions on my build?

bluedragon

well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.

97integraLS911

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tegdude227

tegdude227

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

97integraLS911

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care to expand on that?

Schister66

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats not even close AND not part of the discussion since he's building whichever one he picks supposedly.

quicksilver1689

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

don't spread uneducated garbage on ht thanks

blwn95civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no ****, i didnt even understand this guys first post haha.

but schister pretty much summed it up for ya. i'm currently finishing my lsv build, just waiting on a vband and tune IMO id rather go with a ls block, either way your going to have the better flowing vtec head and since you already have the ls block just go from there, no need to spend the money for a b16 block and have to run more boost to get the same power

*edit* typo

katoeh2o

I would also consider what trans you will run. A b16 will struggle to turn an ls trans at low rpm. But i would go b16 cause I like them alot. Also the bore to stroke ratio on them is as close to perfect as you will find in any honda. But you will not understand that if you don't know what displacement is. And I am not smart enough to explain it to you but if you search it might make sense.

blwn95civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by katoeh2o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would also consider what trans you will run. A b16 will struggle to turn an ls trans at low rpm. But i would go b16 cause I like them alot. Also the bore to stroke ratio on them is as close to perfect as you will find in any honda. But you will not understand that if you don't know what displacement is. And I am not smart enough to explain it to you but if you search it might make sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and if he's going oversized pistons this just flushed your theory down the toilet pal like stated above, the ls block would give you more power and torque with less boost. but im not sure exactly how much

your smart enough to recommend a smaller displacement motor but not smart enough to explain

97integraLS911

alright. thanks for the input guys. HERE IS MY NEXT DILEMA. this engine i am building is gonna be in there for a while and i dont want to regret anything on it.. SO.. i found this b16 block that comes with BRAND NEW Eagle Rods, ARP rod bolts, and ACL bearings for $250... so my question is.. Is this a good enough deal to go with the b16 or should i just wait and get a cheap LS block and do the machining and building from there??

also to this

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by katoeh2o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would also consider what trans you will run. A b16 will struggle to turn an ls trans at low rpm. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i am going with a GSR trans

blwn95civic

thats a sick deal on a the block and internals... but its all a personal preferance. Your going to get opinions either way about the setup. The ls will have the torque advantage and be more capable of power with lower boost than the b16 setup. if it was something i was going to have for awhile IMO i'd do a ls-v, which im doing now but thats just my .02 cents. And as far as the block depending on the trans, that isnt really going to make a difference when your going for big power ... 500whp on a ls is 500whp on a b16 when it comes to putting it to the ground through a trans

97integraLS911

alright i appreciate your two cents. thanks. the little bit of discussion here has helped a lot. ill prolly go with LSV-T. thats what i've always wanted so i suppose if im gonna dump money into it then it should be what i want.

thanks again for the help. there should be more people like u folks on HT.com who actually help rather than hate

HiProfile

Get that B16, sell the rods ($250) and arp's ($50-75), sell or recycle the block/crank for $100-200. Buy a complete B18B1 block & head for $200, and save that extra cash for the head & parts.

A B18 will feel so much better, you'll regret not going with one. It might cost a little more since you found that deal, but in the mean time, the B18 will feel a little faster if its using the same trans as you'd be using with the B16.

JDMisGOOD

I'd go ls/vtec. Hands down

HondaCivicSiR1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMisGOOD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd go ls/vtec. Hands down </TD></TR></TABLE>x2
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I cant really tel u that much about either but I do think b16 has a 1.6 liter displacement and and b18 has 1.8 stock b16 comes with compression ratio of about 10.1 as the b18 comes with a little more like say 11.1 so the 11.1 give you a little room to rev and little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>i say one more post like this and ban this kid for life