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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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ok i have the first gen b16 motor in my 91 si,its fun but i still want more power.
i am going to start to piece together a turbo kit,how much psi can a stock b16 take with low milage,i was told it had a little around 35k-45k.all i really want to run is about 7 or 8 psi because i was told that it was fine on stock internals.also how would i get my ecu tuned to exceot the boost, its a chipped pr3.i dont know what it is chipped with but i have no rev limiter and no speed governor.i was told that i cant really tune it unless i switch to obd1.i dont have much money but im not trygin to cut corners.this car is my daily driver and straight up steet machine and i would like to keep it as reliable as possible.thanks for the help and sorry about the blabing,im just trying to learn.thanks again
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 10:26 PM
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From what I've heard, a stock B16 can handle up to about 275 HP... I'm not sure on this though, so don't cry to me if you blow something up. You'll definately be better off with a better clutch as well as some minor internal work for any significant power increases.
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 11:06 PM
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the clutch is brand new,i dont know what brand of clutch but it holds up damn good.the guy who i bought it oof basically built the car and drove it for a couple months and sold it to me,also when i rev up to 5 k there isa little bit of grey smoke.when i rev to 8.5k its a lot thicker.does this means my rings are going and i shouldnt take any chances with a turbo until i get it built first?
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 04:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHOBIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also when i rev up to 5 k there isa little bit of grey smoke.when i rev to 8.5k its a lot thicker.does this means my rings are going and i shouldnt take any chances with a turbo until i get it built first?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Get it fixed FIRST! The smoke that is. Also why are you revving to 8500RPM's??
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 05:07 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHOBIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok i have the first gen b16 motor in my 91 si,its fun but i still want more power.
i am going to start to piece together a turbo kit,how much psi can a stock b16 take with low milage,i was told it had a little around 35k-45k.all i really want to run is about 7 or 8 psi because i was told that it was fine on stock internals.also how would i get my ecu tuned to exceot the boost, its a chipped pr3.i dont know what it is chipped with but i have no rev limiter and no speed governor.i was told that i cant really tune it unless i switch to obd1.i dont have much money but im not trygin to cut corners.this car is my daily driver and straight up steet machine and i would like to keep it as reliable as possible.thanks for the help and sorry about the blabing,im just trying to learn.thanks again </TD></TR></TABLE>

JDM gen 1 b16's are great for boost. I ran 13.1@109 mph with a stock b16, stock injectors, and stock clutch ( in a tegra shell ) Definately could've hit 12's, but i didn't want to take the chance of blowing it. BTW, i had no vtec
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 12:42 PM
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i dont mean to rev it up that high,its just when mr.mustang is setting next to me thinking he is bad *** with his little botfriend and throws a rev i throw one back,i sometimes just hold it a little to long,and its to late by the time i realize it.what causes it to smoke?the grey smoke anyways i was told that it means the rings are shot.i always thought it was a head gasket.what kind of tuning is available on an obd0 b16? ok so the rods are plenty strong then and i wont worry about changing it out until later.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:02 PM
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I have the same ? as you? debating whether I should boost or just go typer. anyways smoke means doom so I wouldnt try boosting it yet
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:04 PM
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i had a stock b16a2 with a greddy kit. i was running 11lbs and i blew the ring landing.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:34 PM
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you should have no problem running 7-8 psi with stock internals.. by the way good luck
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HyperITR742 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

JDM gen 1 b16's are great for boost. I ran 13.1@109 mph with a stock b16, stock injectors, and stock clutch ( in a tegra shell ) Definately could've hit 12's, but i didn't want to take the chance of blowing it. BTW, i had no vtec
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13.1 with a stock B16, in an Integra, WITHOUT Vtec is very questionable to say the least.

i ran 13.1 @ 109 with a stock internal B16 except for a CTR cam and 14lbs of boost untuned. this was on a set of Azenis in-which i spun all of 1st, 2nd and some of 3rd gear.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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just to let you know my buddy made 344 whp on a stock b16 boosted
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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ok i was browsing homemadeturbo.com and i saw that some people are using the stock exhaust manifold,i have a b16 manifold that is allready split into 2 and we just put new studs in it,can i use the top half and just put a flange or adapter on it to work.i would rather spend that money on making the motor stronger.i was just going to thow it in storage but then i wanted to take my dc header off and we put new studs in,i took the time to do it so i would really like to re use it if possible.oh and ill satart searching more from now on because im sure this has been asnwerd a million times.thanks guys
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 03:11 PM
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when a stang revs his motor next to you, you rev to 8500rpm back? if you are ever going to rev that high with your stock setup, please, at least let it be while going through gears.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 03:20 PM
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yeah,like i sed i dont mean to ,i usually mean to let off but for some reason i guess it either sticks or i dunno but i let off the gas and 6.5 7k and it keep sclimbing,"stock flywheel though" ive never had that happen in any of my cars except this one.so can i use my stock mani?i havent found anything yet.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Killer_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

13.1 with a stock B16, in an Integra, WITHOUT Vtec is very questionable to say the least.

i ran 13.1 @ 109 with a stock internal B16 except for a CTR cam and 14lbs of boost untuned. this was on a set of Azenis in-which i spun all of 1st, 2nd and some of 3rd gear. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Talk to the guys at Stage 2. They witnessed the run. I ran it on some beat *** good year tires too. My good years own jo0r Azenis.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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Running 21 lbs boost with 3mm headgasket on all stock internals. Best pass of 11.8@124 so far....
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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I ran 15psi on my b16a (2mm headgasket). Never ran it at the track but walked a z06 pretty hard on the highway and ran neck and neck with a friends bpu+++ poopra that traps 121 ish
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ran 15psi on my b16a (2mm headgasket). Never ran it at the track but walked a z06 pretty hard on the highway and ran neck and neck with a friends bpu+++ poopra that traps 121 ish </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your friend must of forgotten to give it full throttle. Nah, JK..but supras do own
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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so does anyone know if i can use my stockb16 manifold with a flange insted of a turbo manifod?
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shotty &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Running 21 lbs boost with 3mm headgasket on all stock internals. Best pass of 11.8@124 so far....</TD></TR></TABLE>

what size of turbo are you running?
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:23 PM
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i just ran a 13.207@107mph stock block and head
b16a2 6.5psi
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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310whp/216ftlb of torque....12lbs....stock b16...stock head gasket....arp headstuds.....best time was a 13.0 @ 114.......
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 04:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHOBIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so does anyone know if i can use my stockb16 manifold with a flange insted of a turbo manifod?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not familiar with this but anything is posible. You can pick up a dragg or revhard mani/DP for pretty cheep. Or maby ss autocrome mani/DP but be shure to brace it/ get WG flange moved and use flex pipe since thay crack like demons.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 06:54 AM
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using the stock manifold would put the turbo way too low. You would never get positive flow from your return line to the oil pan. Just get a manifold...skimping out only casues headaches and more money later. Just save your cash and do it right. You will be happier in the long run.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 07:02 AM
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bone stock JDM B16 boosting 5 pounds, SC61E 69 trim, stock injectors and ECU, no tuning of any kind. Plan on making 350 on pump gas and stock motor, hopefully on 12 pounds
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