I just purchased a peak boost turbo kit and i only wanna run a max of 6psi on the stock motor. is there an absolute need to tune the car on only 6psi? i am gonna install a golden eagle high flow fuel rail with stock injectors thinking that miiight help a little bit. i have read someplace that a tune is not needed on only 6psi on a stock motor. i am building a motor in 2 months but i just want to have fun for now with a little bit of boost, i would do less than 6lbs seeing with every lb of boost outta that kid is 20whp peakboost says. any ideas would help. i do not have any money to tune right now thats why i am asking this. no haters please...

 

not hating, but atleast you have to run a basemap tune.. if nothing else. Otherwise you'll lean it out and melt some parts.

 

You need to do something to add fuel and should do something to pull timing. My stock B16A2 ring lands were relatively brittle and didn't last for very long with detonation.

That said, at 6 PSI you could use a FMU and just retard the base timing with the distributor. It's not the best solution, but it's cheap and should keep your motor intact. It's also the solution that comes with most cheap turbo kits, so a lot of people are doing it safely.

 

What size turbo is in the kit?

 

T3/T04E. its just the fact that i dont have any more money to get it tuned right now so would it be ok if i just put the golden eagle fuel rail on and retarted the timing a few deegrees? i downloaded the crome basemap program but i dont know how to get that into my ecu from my lap-top. ive been streesed with things lately and just wanna get into my engine bay and put the kit on but i recently ran short on money for a tune so thats why i cant tune it. i had a DX last year and that was boosted and it wasnt tuned and it ran alright, the only thing was that it wasnt gettin enough oil and the kid that put it on didnt retard the timing.

how much should i retard the timing if i was just to do that and put the fuel rail on?

 

what if i retard the timing a few degrees and throw the golden eagle fuel rail on to flow fuel alittle better into the stock injectors. i have read that the stock injectors will be good up to 8psi, but im not going to run that much right now. in late december me and my friend are getting a dart block and building the **** outta it, it just want to have some fun with the car right now. i do have to drive to school everyday so it needs to be reliable. remember i am only gonna be runing 6psi if even that.

 

fmu? i downloaded the crome basemap but do not know how to get that into my ecu. i think my ecu is chipped from the previous owner but am not completely sure. my car redlines at 8500, when i know a stock b16a2 redlines at 7600. i dont think just an intake and header back exhaust can free up 900rpms outta that motor.

 

The fuel rail does NOTHING to make the injectors provide any more fuel.

No, it's not ok to run boost without some way of providing more fuel.

Search for FMU on ebay, if you can't afford $100 for an FMU, then take the turbo off of the car.

 

wait and save your money then do it right

 

i will prolly do that. when it does get built im gonna be tuning it with the Neptune system. will i need to use an afc with that system? i am able to buy an Apexi AFC Neo right now for a good price, should i? Do i need this to tune the neptune when im on the street?

 

just use neptune. apexi afc is 90's stuff

 

You need to research this more before turboing your car....otherwise you're going to be looking for another engine soon

 

should i just buy the neo for the 220 and sell it for 300 seeing they go for almost 400 new and this ones only like 3 months old.

 

If you want to deal with hauking parts, go for it. Personally, i would get the parts you need and deal with the rest when money's available for such ventures.

 

o believe me i know my **** but the dumb *** that put my last kit in f'd that **** up real bad. i could'nt put it in cause i did'nt have a place and all my tools were in school so that did'nt help me at all. now i actually have a place to put this one in. i just wanna put the peak boost kit in and have some fun with it till i get my built motor.

 

dude go with what you want, but if I were you, I'd read a bit more, save a bit more and run something like an s300 setup or the like.

boom done, all your worries are over. get a wicked tune, and have a rocket.

 

its kinda obvious you dont know your stuff other wise you wouldnt be askin some of the questions you ask. go back and read what you posted not tring to be a *** just callin it like i see it

 

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Save up some cash, seems you have plenty of research to do before boosting anyways. Then do it right the first time, I know how being impatient is, but in the long run you will spend less money and it will be well worth it.

 

first of all id say that trying to run only 6lbs your going to have boost creep so by red line you may have as much as 10 psi

if your not going to get bigger injectors and get it tuned you might as well take your motor to the scrapyard so you will at least get sommething for it because with no tuning its going to be trashed

why spend 2-3k$ on turbo kit but not spend less than 1k to get it tuned and have it running right

trust me be have some patience and keep saving until you can afford to get it tuned .......then itll run right and you won't have to worry

if you do it anyway like your talking about doing it your motor is a ticking time bomb and that is not an exagerration

 

honestly you need a tune for 6 psi i was on a base map on my D16Y8. Then i down shifted into 3rd punched it and punched a hole in the front of my block with my rod.

SO........always tune

and with FMU's i would advise against them. But that is just me i know many ppl that have run a FMU for awhile and have had no problem with them at all but just do it right the first time and TUNE.


ALOS you really shouldnt be running on stock injectors at all

 

Sorry to say it. But no you don't "know your ****".

"i am gonna install a golden eagle high flow fuel rail with stock injectors thinking that miiight help a little bit."
-- No this won't help with anything at all. Stock fuel rail will easily flow enough fuel for 400whp. You need to add fuel by increasing injector flow (aka using some type of engine management).

"my car redlines at 8500, when i know a stock b16a2 redlines at 7600"
-- Wrong. A stock b16a2 redlines at 8000 rpm. It makes peak power at 7600 rpm.

" i dont think just an intake and header back exhaust can free up 900rpms outta that motor."
-- The fact that you could even possibly think a header/cat back exhaust could do this says you have no idea what is going on...

"when it does get built im gonna be tuning it with the Neptune system. will i need to use an afc with that system?"
-- It is clear you have a lot of reading to do about engine management.

Here's a quick start on your options for tuning. Yes, you have to tune it! you cannot just slap on 6psi and expect the stock ECU to know what to do.

Engine management options:

1. Chrome/Neptune/Uberdata/Hondata - Chipped OBD1 ECU's (Work very well)
2. Piggyback Units: AFC, Emanage, Aem FIC, Emanage Ultimate. (They are a hack to intercept signals going to the stock ECU and make changes. Some are better than others. Use Emange Ultimate or Aem FIC so you can control ignition timing).
3. FMU - probably the worst pick. It will work but it's not the best option.

Read up on these and good luck.