bigapple427

im getting ready to do my head gasket (oem) and arp install on my stock d16 with a t3 turbo, just wondering if i should get a block gaurd or not. i searched and found alot of opinions on built motors but not on stock. any help would be great.

beepy

The general concensus would be no. Block guards have to be professionaly installed, welded in place, and this must be done before block machining.

adseguy

I have no experience with block guards, but the sleeves aren't the weak point in our hondas until you reach past 400-450whp. Jeff evans just tuned one on stock sleeves at 600whp, so the stock sleeves can take a beating .

Edit: Beepy what is your Avatar...i can't figure it out and it's starting to **** ME OFF..lol j/k

EJ1 wilcox

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It says "young-oh/mi-guk"... it means, "English(the language)/America"...

I don't know what it's supposed to mean, but that's how it reads in Korean. So, what's it supposed to mean? I've wondered the same thing.

2000psi

don't use the block guard unless you're going to tear the engine down and get it bored and honed. Block guards can be a great thing if installed properly but they get a bad name from the people that just pull the head and drop them in expecting them to work. Which D16 do you have? If it's a Y8 you can probly find an upgraded HG, use that and some ARP head studs and you'll be good to go.

SlowB16si

No block gaurd needed. I would get new rods and pistons first.

bigapple427

ive got the d16z6 and from what ive read on this site is that the factory heah gasket is the best. so thats what i got. just dont want any head lift problems again.

beerbongskickass

Back your timing down a little. I have a d16z6 and haven't had any troubles after getting ARP's (torqued to 65ft/lbs with the ARP lube), a new OEM headgasket, and backing my timing down. I am running like 17* total up top I think.

bigapple427

how much did you back it out, im hopeing to run about 10lbs. thanks for the help guys.

beerbongskickass

What fuel management are you running?

I am running uberdata, so I just opened my bin up and took a few degrees of timing off, then burned another chip.

bigapple427

still running old school fmu, just socketed my ecu looking for tuner for uberdata.

adseguy

http://uberdata.pgmfi.org/forum/index.php?board=6

Check the tuner directories

spiceisler

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65ft/lbs even if the factory recommends 22/53, respectively?

beerbongskickass

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I went by the directions I got with the head studs. If I remember right ARP recommends 60 ft/lbs with the provided moly lube and a little more with oil. Stock honda bolts are less of course (53ft/lbs or so?).

I hand tightend my ARP's and torqued in sequence to 25ft/lbs, 40ft/lbs, 65ft/lbs. It has worked great for me so far, no head lifting issues. I did a lot of research on this and found a lot of different answers from different respected engine builders. Some people do as much as 70-80ft/lbs, some actually do less (around 40ft/lbs).

beerbongskickass

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Well just have your tuner keep the timing nice and safe when you switch to uberdata, and you should be fine. Not much you can do about it with an FMU though.

bigapple427

thanks guys its a work in progress, its also a purple 4 door . fun on the street.