atec

The build looks amazing and should be banned for pornography I really like the manifold design youve created..
I will really enjoy see the small d with a T4 and its powerband when its done...

I would reconsider the fuelsetup though, maybe a set of 1200-1600injectors and a an8 fuel feedline would be more apropriate..

92cxyd

I just picked up a Super Street mag yesterday and saw this build.

I see you are using the z6 head, is there a particular reason, other than it came with the block?

I thought I saw something in the magaezine that says your using larger valves, is that correct?

Why the 68mm tb and not 70mm or 74mm tb to your GE IM?

What fuel pump are you using?

0Bisimoto

Thanks, Kra!

Yes, T1's 1000cc injector dynamics. It has been done by many here on H-T with the proper fuel system, and base pressure. Combine this with the MSD boost-a-pump, and we have a recipe for success: great power and a relatively smooth idle.

Ok, wagon completly stripped of the interior and engine:






And now painted with the Team Bisimoto Electric Blue:

0Bisimoto

No dodging here, the level 2.4s have been a great success, and our best selling turbo cams. I challenge your information. In addition, if for some weird reason that a level cam is not ideal for a customers build (and this can happen in rare occasions), at Bisimoto, we bend over backwards to make sure they are happy by satisfying their needs...even if it means designing another profile for them. I hope that helps.

victor.ek4

Congratulations Bisi.

Setting goals and doing what everyone else said that was impossible, beatiful lifestyle.


I´m waiting for results.

0Bisimoto

Thanks. No man is an island, and I solicited input from Scott at Kinsler fuel injection. Kinsler has designed methanol based fuel setups for domestic vehicles with -6an, and they made over 1200hp. My whimpy 700whp goal should be supported with a -6 to the Kinsler Monster mesh filter, and a -8an to the AEM fuel rail (I love to dampen fuel pulses as much as I can)
Pump system; a modified 255 intank, an inline and the MSD boost-a-pump, with the stock return.

The z6 is a popular choice, despite the fact that I love the y8 head due to its appealing combustion chamber. I am using oversize intake and exhaust to the tune of 1mm..inconel on the exhaust, of course.

68mm? Due to the mass flowrate required for my power goal...the 68mm Skunk tb should suffice.

atec

Thanks. No man is an island, and I solicited input from Scott at Kinsler fuel injection. Kinsler has designed methanol based fuel setups for domestic vehicles with -6an, and they made over 1200hp. My whimpy 700whp goal should be supported with a -6 to the Kinsler Monster mesh filter, and a -8an to the AEM fuel rail (I love to dampen fuel pulses as much as I can)
Pump system; a modified 255 intank, an inline and the MSD boost-a-pump, with the stock return.

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I dont question your competance with engine building, But I still question your choice..

the domestic setup you speak of, was it N/A or turbo.. and how many cylinders?
also remember that diffrent engines with more or less effective heads will have diffrent B.S.F.C

I think to produce 700whp out of a 4 banger with 1000cc you need either some magic head work, or unhealthy fuelpresshure... around 100psi with 80% dtc and .65 B.S.F.C
It will work but why not lower the FP and go with 1600cc?

Any how.. hurry get this thing done.. really really exited to se the result

narfdanarf

Apparently you've been living under a rock.

0Bisimoto

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. As we test this setup, I will make everyone aware of our experiences, updates, and improvements. I am very pleased with the well wishes, and positive feedback. Thanks all!

bjones

i got faith in 700whp!

scmil95eg

Nice build Bisi!

In regards to plumbing:
World of Outalw Sprint Car
410 ci S.B.C, 860 hp, methanol, 9000rpm
-each and every single car is plumbed entirely with 6 AN hose, feed & return.

WoO: 860 x 1.1 (bsfc) = 946 lb/hr fuel demand
Bisi: 700 x .65 (bsfc) = 455 lb/hr fuel demand

Anyone know what a -6 hose will flow before it poses a restriction?
1,100+ lb/hr.

But let's hypothetically say a -6 line did pose a 3 psi restriction in your system (which would be huge), what does that mean? Absolutely nothing, unless you're running your fuel pump to the very edge of it's capabilities anyways. We all know Walbro in-tank pumps are good to about 70 psi before they fall on their face. So if you set your base pressure pressure to 45 psi, in this example, the pump would have to do 48 psi worth of work to compensate for the 3 psi pressure drop (restriction), which I hope we can all agree it can handle. Ideally, we want the system to support 15% more than it needs to, so the only scenario where hose restriction could be detrimental is one where you're running your system on the ragged edge/danger zone anyways.

But, with all that being said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with overkill on fuel line size, so you won't hear me discourage anyone from running -8, -10, -12.... it just costs more.

BTW: What is "unhealthy fuel pressure"?

Minor Threat

I'm glad you're testing this setup as perhaps it will enable you to design a SOHC cam that works well with boost, instead of relying on customers to do your R&D for you.

atec

It was a therm of speach, Lets trancelate that to "unnecessary"
BTW you can rebuild the walbro to supply 100psi fuelpresshure.
but I still dont understand why use such small fuelsetup, in this build, It is obvius it is not the costs that stops, and it should not be a "lowest Co2 contest" or emission test...
I did not say it will NOT work, but It is still plain stupid to push the limits when you have injectors that are bigger and just as easy to tune..
It is not anything more annoying than have to stop the dynosession becouse you run out of fuel. and have to do everything twice.

You can use your time at that, while others safe the fuelsetup by going a bit larger for their powergoals.

narfdanarf

have you ever driven a car tuned on 1600's? There is no comparison to 1000's let alone ID1000's. Secondly the ID1000's are made to handle the pressure. You should do a little more research before you start trying to pick something apart.

atec

Well, I have around 50-60 honda turbo builds/projects behind me.
and work on a daily basis on our 4wd dynapack with everything from honda, nissan, audi, Bmw etc.. so yes I have...

But what background I have is not really important.. remember, I only questioned the choice of injectors and did not intend to bash the project.
No need to be hostile.

locash

With 100psi base pressure, the ID1000's will easily support 700hp. I would have done that part the same. Although, it is funny that Bisi questioned the quality of these injectors not so long ago, and now he uses them.

extralargenog

iTrader: (1)

Its not a really THAT big stretch... I mean over 600 on vitaras and stock sleeves has been done locally on a modest size turbo...

Id like to see some graphs and datalogs (as well as specs of "custom" components) To truly validate whats going on here....

Puma909

Yes, it did make 600 on vitaras, however, they used Q16 fuel. That fuel provides added power.

On a side note, the vitaras in that engine shattered, so it didn't last too long.
The disadvantage of cast pistons is that they are relatively fragile, even the tougher high pressure cast ones. Cast pistons are brittle and tend to crack if there is detonation or if they are subject to a lot of load. To avoid these problems, you must use a stronger piston if you are building a high-powered motor with either a high-boost turbo, a big nitrous kit or a supercharger. In this case, you will want to run a forged piston.

0Bisimoto

Despite your rude comments, I do not dodge questions, and do perform tests significantly prior to releasing products.
Sir, maybe you misunderstood: It is not possible for me to buy a car for every product that we test, R&D, and ultimately produce. Solution: I have a few local customers who are more than pleased for us to test products on their cars. I hope that clears thing up. No need to be upset that people find the build appealing.

Once again, this is not true. I guess no other answer would satisfy you. I addressed this earlier.

I agree, locash, it will support our power gains, however, I never questioned ID 1000s, ever. As a matter of fact, we have had quite a few cars tuned here with ID1000s, and great success!

Yes, we are data crazy too! I will provide some indepth info on this build and make it as techno-saavy as possible.

QuarterMileMaster

Killer setup!!! I'm in the process of a 500hp build in my RT4wd Wagon, we'll see what breaks first!

.dave

Took the words right out of my mouth. Its pretty funny that he has a link to Tony's site in his signature too.



Are you using any additional data logging aside from what is built into the AEM?

0Bisimoto

That is so cool. I may pick up a 4wd one day...I love wagons..goodluck!

AEM it is...provides me impeccable data capturing and analysis.

prospeed

I've seen this beast in person and can say its put together nicely. A wicked setup! Great job on this unique build!

06sik20z3

**** thievs and haters

great build hope to one day see it in person. keep up the good work

.dave

I wish the EPM/T1 trigger setup had been around back when I had a AEM 1020 box on my D16. I tried a bunch of different distributors but the RPM reading was all over the place and it'd lose the signal when I let off the gas. AEM's stuff has come quite a ways since then though.