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I was thinking this same thing. I am planning on running the stock cam for a little while. I could easily tune my car on the stock cam, switch to the zex cam, then switch to the bisi cam(1.2). I am very interested in a test like this. If there was a good gain over the zex cam i would definately be willing to buy the bisi camshaft.

miller

If you are truly confidant in your cam then send it this way. I have a customer who would love to do a back to back with your cam vs. one of the most hated on cams out there. Here is his chart as it sits now, pump gas, stock sleeves, stock ports and turbonetics 60trim baby turbo.

HsamehH

what is this cam in the 415hp whp setup?

ashb82

hey bisi how does a f22 turbo do with stock stroke. cause i am about to get one of your 1.2 cams for my f22a.

0Bisimoto

Miller, you must forgive me, but I have been duped so many times in sending parts to shops for comparisons, that I have stopped doing it.

If this is the same customer I have in mind, Hsame, it would be the Bisimoto level 1.2.

Ash, extemely well, as the breathing characteristics are superior with the 95mm stroke. At 1 bar, customers see north of 60 whp over stock.

miller

Its ok bisi. I understand. What is the cost of your bad *** turbo cam for the d series?

The sheet i posted is NOT a bisi cam. It is one of the most hated on cams out there in the single cam world. It is the cam that everyone says doesnt work. If that is the case I would really like to see what kind of a gains a bisi cam can pickup over the current cam.

SovXietday

Really? I've never heard that. Infact, Joseph Davis swears by that cam. When JD calls something God I tend to believe it.

They do however have a history of breaking, which is where I think the "hate" comes from.

I was going to do a test between the Bisi 1.2 and the Zex 59300... but I had to quit the shop I was working at.

0Bisimoto

Miller, my cams for the vtec D range from $349 to 449. Bare in mind, that you are not limited to stages or levels, as I can customize a profile to your build.

sgnlab

why a custom grind? Send over the cam you say will gain 60whp! I want to see the back to back on the cam you were talking about. I mean **** the zex was an off the shelf cam.

evokidvii

i have a zex 59300 cam now, once i get with bisi about his 1.2 cam for the d16 i will post up a comparison. as of right now i made 331whp and 260wtq at 16psi on gt2871r .82ar, stock port head. If i do get this cam i the only difference will be a P&Ped head, huge difference i know but i will post that graph up. just give me a month or two.

miller

The cam in the sheet i posted is a crower cam not a zex,


Look at the tourqe curve from the dyno sheet I post up to the tourqe curve Bisi posted. We have peak tq at 4900 rpm with a 1.6ltr compared to the 2.0ltr you posted and with very very similiar boost levels.

I am not trying to start an argument but I would like to see a cam make 60hp more on the my customers car. If that is possible I feel as though I can get 500hp out of the car safely on pump gas.

j-bird20

500HP Single Cam on pump GAS is not safe... unless its a pump race mix...sooo thats crazy talk if you think its SAFE in anyway.

miller

Why not? I would like to know why you think its not safe. The tuneup thats in the car right now that made 415 is rediculously safe. If we have a better cam that can make 60+ at the same boost levels and a better intake manifold then the skunk2 I think the car can deff make 500 without any issue with only a couple more lbs of boost. If i had a sleeved block to work with 500 on pump wouldnt be an issues at all. I believe if we get a couple things addressed the car will make 500 on pump with the stock sleeves no problem at all.

sewell94

I don't see an issue with making 500hp sohc on pump if its a good breathing setup.

j-bird20

Ive never seen one thread or anyone ever hitting 500hp on pump gas on a single...i guess miller willl be the first ive ever seen

JFK78

So there's no confusion, 'Bisi was referring to the F22 cam(stock cam is extremely mild) when he said +60whp in response to "ash", not the D16 cam. He wouldn't claim +60whp over the cam you are currently using.

Also, I don't understand your comparison of the 2 charts. A 2.0L non-vtec w/a log mani and 2.5" dp vs. 1.6L sohc vtec w/a ramhorn and 3" dp are very dissimilar.

What I see:

The 1.6L chart made ~285 tq @ 5000rpm vs. ~330tq @ 5000rpm(+45tq) on the 2.0L.

The 1.6L had 298tq vs. 342tq peak (+44tq) on the 2.0L, and the 2.0L made more power everwhere except right at 7200-7500rpm, after which they both dropped off the same. And the 2.0L was running 2-3 less psi, which is quite a bit less. I just don't see how they relate to each other.

That aside, the 1.6 chart is quite impressive, I have wanted to try that Crower 3 cam in a turbo setup.

0Bisimoto

Custom grinds are for individuals who do not want to be "shackled" to a "one-size-fit-all" profile, or for those who have very unique setups or goals. This is a chart of a low boost ebay kit D16Z6, with the aforementioned cam versus our shelf level 1.2:



A properly designed cam can do wonders for even the most frugal of setups. Who would not want 50whp for $100 more?

Legion_2

Lol, there's no way. A z6 with a 59300 will make about 180+whp on 6psi. And the 59300 sure as heck doesn't fall on it's face before 6k like that.

evokidvii

what are you sayin here, it would make?? more or less??

0Bisimoto

It is a cheap ebay kit...what did you expect? I wanted to show a somewhat popular, cheap setup to really set the profile apart. Wow...H-T is something else.

jimmyb34

im looking to buy cams for my fully built turbo gsr.. on your page i see 1.2 and 2.4.....
my goal is 500 ish whp on pump with the setup, what would you suggest? i can pm you more info on the setup if need be

aeenox

Quick question Bisi. Is the d16z6 you used with the ebay turbo kit stock besides the cam?

ashb82

i would like to had seen BISI trying to prove he was going to build a f22a NON-VTEC All motor that can run 9.4
I have a Stock F22b1 f2b setup that is very fast now on boost. I was showing people it was a F22 they hated it. So now i tell every body it is a boosted K24/K20 but i dont let people look under the hood They love it.

Anyway you got any dyno pics of stock F22A boosted with your cam.

redex04

Some of us here do respect you and what you do Bisi. I think I'm sold on this cam!

Legion_2

You're claiming that your cam made 50whp over the zex cam on an identical setup? Either I'm reading those dynos wrong, or you think we're a bunch of suckers. There's no way in hell that first dyno is from a z6 with a 59300, unless the motor had a comically restrictive intake, or some other such restriction that would make it fall on it's face like that at such a low RPM. If there was a 10-15whp difference, I'd say "wow, that Bisi cam is great." But 50whp isn't even remotely believable.