better numbers with or without vtec?
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Re: (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I reved to 9500rpm+ on stock rods and rod bolts. I also revved my LS heads to 9500rpm+. I've never had a issue with ether.</TD></TR></TABLE>
well im glad you can be a retard and rev those rods that high lmao
btw any higher then 8500 on an ls head is asking for trouble, idk how many times i had to do a valve adjustment because i was revving to 8,000 rpm's
plain and simple a stock gsr/b16 head will outflow, make more power, and outrev a stock or even semi worked ls head
been there and done it
well im glad you can be a retard and rev those rods that high lmao
btw any higher then 8500 on an ls head is asking for trouble, idk how many times i had to do a valve adjustment because i was revving to 8,000 rpm's
plain and simple a stock gsr/b16 head will outflow, make more power, and outrev a stock or even semi worked ls head
been there and done it
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Re: (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey tard I was showing the FACT that you can go fast without the use of a vtec head. I want go into the debate about vtec VS non vtec.
PS let me know when you go faster then any of the cars that I posted above.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.
PS let me know when you go faster then any of the cars that I posted above.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.
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Re: (RC000E)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im pretty sure he'll chime in soon. It's not my place to talk 4 him and I no longer have a car to talk with, but PA isnt too far away. Calling him a bitch and *****? for making a few simple facts!? get F*cking real! he's posting 2 show that you don't need vtec to be fast b/c every other simple *** F*cker in here is for Vtec. Someone has to chime in for the non-vtec. Thats whats this guy's post is about! To ask between vtec and non-vtec. and the guy wants to know both sides.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stop getting all butt hurt that your nonvtec motor blows. You sound like a whiney bitch when you come in here trying to act like vtec doesnt matter at all. No one ever said you can't make power with a nonvtec head, it does not change the facts or the physics that state a better flowing head would make more power.
Oh and I said that first part just to **** you off</TD></TR></TABLE>
he never said vtec doesnt matter at all. Just plain and simple. That you dont need it to be fast
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im pretty sure he'll chime in soon. It's not my place to talk 4 him and I no longer have a car to talk with, but PA isnt too far away. Calling him a bitch and *****? for making a few simple facts!? get F*cking real! he's posting 2 show that you don't need vtec to be fast b/c every other simple *** F*cker in here is for Vtec. Someone has to chime in for the non-vtec. Thats whats this guy's post is about! To ask between vtec and non-vtec. and the guy wants to know both sides.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stop getting all butt hurt that your nonvtec motor blows. You sound like a whiney bitch when you come in here trying to act like vtec doesnt matter at all. No one ever said you can't make power with a nonvtec head, it does not change the facts or the physics that state a better flowing head would make more power.
Oh and I said that first part just to **** you off</TD></TR></TABLE>
he never said vtec doesnt matter at all. Just plain and simple. That you dont need it to be fast
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Re: better numbers with or without vtec? (memorybox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by memorybox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok im trying to decide on the right route to do a rebuild on my currently turboed ls hatch. The car only sees the track, but i dont have high goals as of yet.
my question is "Does the engine have better potential if i go ls/vtec?" or do i just need to stay non vtec.
i have searched and so far i see that boostheads just dont 'need' vtec, but if it will give me a better selection of parts and make more power (a considerable amount) id want to go ahead and go that route. but i also hear that lsvtec is less reliable or is that different considering what parts i choose
like what rods/pistons would i need so i can rev to 7000ish safely?
Im not going for all motor so would a gsr head be fine so i can rev higher and still have vtec?
Modified by memorybox at 9:20 AM 2/12/2007
Modified by memorybox at 9:21 AM 2/12/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is for all you that missed his quetion(s) and his current setup!
my question is "Does the engine have better potential if i go ls/vtec?" or do i just need to stay non vtec.
i have searched and so far i see that boostheads just dont 'need' vtec, but if it will give me a better selection of parts and make more power (a considerable amount) id want to go ahead and go that route. but i also hear that lsvtec is less reliable or is that different considering what parts i choose
like what rods/pistons would i need so i can rev to 7000ish safely?
Im not going for all motor so would a gsr head be fine so i can rev higher and still have vtec?
Modified by memorybox at 9:20 AM 2/12/2007
Modified by memorybox at 9:21 AM 2/12/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is for all you that missed his quetion(s) and his current setup!
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Re: better numbers with or without vtec? (1.8tgsr)
we arent answering his question for him, we are giving him facts so he can make the decision that he wants to make.
fact #1) vtec heads flow better
fact #2) vtec heads rev higher
fact #3) the majority of builds, people use a vtec head unless specifically straying from vtec
fact #4) ls heads can still be fast
fact #5) some people are douschebags and talk out their a$$
fact #1) vtec heads flow better
fact #2) vtec heads rev higher
fact #3) the majority of builds, people use a vtec head unless specifically straying from vtec
fact #4) ls heads can still be fast
fact #5) some people are douschebags and talk out their a$$
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Re: (RC000E)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>I hope that I run into you at a track this year. The last punk ************ that ran his mouth like you did I whipped his *** (at the track).
So go on with your bad self you have to be one of the badest E-thugs that I have ever seen ON THE INTERNET.
What where you building Hondas at the age of 12. It proves that your the real moron here. because the fact is that I'm older then you.
I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.
Yeah, nothing like one of those swollen types who thinks they are the only ones who've run an 11 on slicks runnin an FI motor. I know ******* local 16 year olds that have done that reading HMT how-to's you dumb *****. I guarantee you I built an 11 sec street driven Honda before you were old enough to even drive legally you silly *** ******.
Too bad you don't live closer so I could walk up to you and bitch smack you in the mouth cause that's all you are is a f*ckin bitch.
Now take your silly *** out'a here cause your queerin up this dudes thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>I hope that I run into you at a track this year. The last punk ************ that ran his mouth like you did I whipped his *** (at the track).
So go on with your bad self you have to be one of the badest E-thugs that I have ever seen ON THE INTERNET.
What where you building Hondas at the age of 12. It proves that your the real moron here. because the fact is that I'm older then you.
I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.
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Re: (coptzer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coptzer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well im glad you can be a retard and rev those rods that high lmao
btw any higher then 8500 on an ls head is asking for trouble, idk how many times i had to do a valve adjustment because i was revving to 8,000 rpm's
plain and simple a stock gsr/b16 head will outflow, make more power, and outrev a stock or even semi worked ls head
been there and done it</TD></TR></TABLE>I guess thats what set me in front of the pack and you in the back. I'm not afraid push my set ups too the limits.
I have had fast nonvtec set ups for 7 years now and have allways revved to aleast 8500rpm. 7 years and revved to 8500-9500 without an issue. I speak FACTS
not like the others here that speak out of there asses.
well im glad you can be a retard and rev those rods that high lmao
btw any higher then 8500 on an ls head is asking for trouble, idk how many times i had to do a valve adjustment because i was revving to 8,000 rpm's
plain and simple a stock gsr/b16 head will outflow, make more power, and outrev a stock or even semi worked ls head
been there and done it</TD></TR></TABLE>I guess thats what set me in front of the pack and you in the back. I'm not afraid push my set ups too the limits.
I have had fast nonvtec set ups for 7 years now and have allways revved to aleast 8500rpm. 7 years and revved to 8500-9500 without an issue. I speak FACTS
not like the others here that speak out of there asses.
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Re: (95GSRTT)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stop getting all butt hurt that your nonvtec motor blows. You sound like a whiney bitch when you come in here trying to act like vtec doesnt matter at all. No one ever said you can't make power with a nonvtec head, it does not change the facts or the physics that state a better flowing head would make more power.
Oh and I said that first part just to **** you off</TD></TR></TABLE>Bumbass I never said it was better.
Everything that I posted where facts. Never said it has a better flowing head.
Cant any of you read?
Oh and I said that first part just to **** you off</TD></TR></TABLE>Bumbass I never said it was better.
Everything that I posted where facts. Never said it has a better flowing head.
Cant any of you read?
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Re: (Speed Infliction)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Speed Infliction »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most of a motors power comes from the head. so obviously a better flowing head would produce even more power. people are going to stick up for what they have. i am laying the facts down here. if this were not the case then why did honda make vtec in the first place?</TD></TR></TABLE> cause its m4d vt4cK 4 lIf3 y0
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Re: (nonvtecallmotor)
classic HT DRAMA 
to the OP..... You can make good numbers on both nonvtec and vtec heads. It is all up to YOU and how much money YOU want to spend or not spend. At the end of the day everyone here on HT can tell you to do what they have done but it all comes down to YOUR funds and what you can afford.
So I say to you, do what ever makes you happy and what you can afford
to the OP..... You can make good numbers on both nonvtec and vtec heads. It is all up to YOU and how much money YOU want to spend or not spend. At the end of the day everyone here on HT can tell you to do what they have done but it all comes down to YOUR funds and what you can afford.
So I say to you, do what ever makes you happy and what you can afford
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Re: (BoostedEG6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedEG6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">classic HT DRAMA
to the OP..... You can make good numbers on both nonvtec and vtec heads. It is all up to YOU and how much money YOU want to spend or not spend. At the end of the day everyone here on HT can tell you to do what they have done but it all comes down to YOUR funds and what you can afford.
So I say to you, do what ever makes you happy and what you can afford
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to the OP..... You can make good numbers on both nonvtec and vtec heads. It is all up to YOU and how much money YOU want to spend or not spend. At the end of the day everyone here on HT can tell you to do what they have done but it all comes down to YOUR funds and what you can afford.
So I say to you, do what ever makes you happy and what you can afford
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Re: (nonvtecallmotor)
No one ever said that you can't make power with a nonvtec head either, yet you wanted to come in here swinging your e-**** thinking you are the only person to ever go fast w/o vtec. Go pull your head out of your *** and learn some reading comprehension along with some spelling. Bumbass? wtf is that.
Oh and vtec>nonvtec
And you still sound like a whiney bitch.
Take that for HT drama fool!
Oh and vtec>nonvtec
And you still sound like a whiney bitch.
Take that for HT drama fool!
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Re: (95GSRTT)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And you still sound like a whiney bitch. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (RC000E)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope that I run into you at a track this year. The last punk ************ that ran his mouth like you did I whipped his *** (at the track).
So go on with your bad self you have to be one of the badest E-thugs that I have ever seen ON THE INTERNET.
What where you building Hondas at the age of 12. It proves that your the real moron here. because the fact is that I'm older then you.
I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.
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So go on with your bad self you have to be one of the badest E-thugs that I have ever seen ON THE INTERNET.
What where you building Hondas at the age of 12. It proves that your the real moron here. because the fact is that I'm older then you.
I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.
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Re: (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">revved to 8500-9500 </TD></TR></TABLE>
what cams were you running ?
what cams were you running ?
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Re: (memorybox)
if your on a budget and you dont have a vtec head laying around
most of the time you will make more power with an ls head.but
it all depends on how much you have to put into it. you could
buy cams, springs, and retainers or put the money into a power adder
for the price of swapping to a stock vtec head. just my 2cents.
most of the time you will make more power with an ls head.but
it all depends on how much you have to put into it. you could
buy cams, springs, and retainers or put the money into a power adder
for the price of swapping to a stock vtec head. just my 2cents.
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Re: (sneakysneaky)
you can get a vtec head for $300-$400 which is what buying only springs and retainers will cost you, but the vtec head would let you rev just as high if not higher, and youd have better powerband.
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Another thread gone to waste...Does a ls-vtec have more potential then a Ls? Yes. Can it make more power? Yes. Do you need it? depends on your budget and goals, once you identify those you will get closer to a better and clearer anwser.
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Re: (zeimbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zeimbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the blue graph is without vtec engaging and the red is with vtec hitting at 6k.
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Please tell me you guys didn't do this and really think this was a logical test to compare nonvtak vs vtec.
the blue graph is without vtec engaging and the red is with vtec hitting at 6k.
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Please tell me you guys didn't do this and really think this was a logical test to compare nonvtak vs vtec.
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Re: (sneakysneaky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sneakysneaky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id be glad to buy a vtec head cams oil pump etc etc
needed for swap for $300 if youve got it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you can run the stock gsr cams that come inside the head, vtec solenoid for $20 if it doesnt come with it, intake manifold $30 if it doesnt come with it, oil pump $80-$100 brand new type r oil pump
needed for swap for $300 if youve got it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>you can run the stock gsr cams that come inside the head, vtec solenoid for $20 if it doesnt come with it, intake manifold $30 if it doesnt come with it, oil pump $80-$100 brand new type r oil pump
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Re: (narfdanarf)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by narfdanarf »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">colletti motorsports is all kinds of retarded...been there talked to the 80 year old guy that runs it....Thinks he knows, but really has no idea.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it has nothing to do with colletti motorsports you ***. it was just dyno'd there. i guess i see how it wouldnt be logical to compare, but my gsr with the vtec solenoid unplugged still put out 150ish hp
it has nothing to do with colletti motorsports you ***. it was just dyno'd there. i guess i see how it wouldnt be logical to compare, but my gsr with the vtec solenoid unplugged still put out 150ish hp
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Re: (Professor15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another thread gone to waste...Does a ls-vtec have more potential then a Ls? Yes. Can it make more power? Yes. Do you need it? depends on your budget and goals, once you identify those you will get closer to a better and clearer anwser.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly.
To nonvtecallmotor:
Some people are just trying to rouse you and you are allowing them to do it.
For revin' ls rods that high.....I'm glad you didn't throw a rod, really. Although you have done it, that doesn't mean that it is the safest course of action for this guy. It would be pretty messed up if he spends all his money on going ls-t, then revs his stock block to 8500rpm, throws a rod and then doesn't have a car. He will be sol. I'm also happy for you that you run good times. Congratulations. However, you in no way illicit any respect by saying things like:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is always someone that is faster, smarter, stronger, makes more money, gets more women, has a larger *****, etc out there.
Exactly.
To nonvtecallmotor:
Some people are just trying to rouse you and you are allowing them to do it.
For revin' ls rods that high.....I'm glad you didn't throw a rod, really. Although you have done it, that doesn't mean that it is the safest course of action for this guy. It would be pretty messed up if he spends all his money on going ls-t, then revs his stock block to 8500rpm, throws a rod and then doesn't have a car. He will be sol. I'm also happy for you that you run good times. Congratulations. However, you in no way illicit any respect by saying things like:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been faster then EVERYONE in this thread nonvtec or vtec.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is always someone that is faster, smarter, stronger, makes more money, gets more women, has a larger *****, etc out there.