Balor_Gr's Evo X TD05h-152G6-12T B16 Turbo Build Results
04-23-2018, 06:59 PM
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Beatiful build, Balor! Those rods look almost invincible. Lol!
my next project will be a teggy. I'll be on the hunt for a good GSR in the next year.
my next project will be a teggy. I'll be on the hunt for a good GSR in the next year.
04-23-2018, 10:47 PM
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And I will easily let you to continue to believe that, if you'd like. .
in the U.S., for turbocharged applications, 10.0:1 and higher is considered "higher compression" for use. What you don't see of that most manufacturers of pistons who sell them include pistons made for light weight, using a thinner walled piston pin. Not the ones with thicker walls to help with the increased cylinder pressures that turbocharged applications present. The piston construction is the same whether it is higher compression or not. ( if you doubt my explanation, take a look at a wiseco piston catalog, and see the wrist pin part numbers they show in a separate column. Certain poisons for intended use, use a different wrist pin. ) Once people understood the benefits of higher compression in combination with turbocharger, those manufacturers stated offering options for wrist pins because they understood their initial intent to use changed.
Not that cylinder head flow isn't important (it obviously is or Honda b-series VTEV heads wouldn't get the attention they do), higher compression alone isn't enough to "make magic", as you believe that we think higher compression turbo setups can perform. We know that it is the combination that works, but contrary to what your experience has led you to believe, porting & polishing to get over 300c.f., isn't necessary to get the desired results.
So, many of us know being at higher compression than what most are used to for turbocharging is not hype... If you don't believe in it, it's ok. No one will misjudge you.
in the U.S., for turbocharged applications, 10.0:1 and higher is considered "higher compression" for use. What you don't see of that most manufacturers of pistons who sell them include pistons made for light weight, using a thinner walled piston pin. Not the ones with thicker walls to help with the increased cylinder pressures that turbocharged applications present. The piston construction is the same whether it is higher compression or not. ( if you doubt my explanation, take a look at a wiseco piston catalog, and see the wrist pin part numbers they show in a separate column. Certain poisons for intended use, use a different wrist pin. ) Once people understood the benefits of higher compression in combination with turbocharger, those manufacturers stated offering options for wrist pins because they understood their initial intent to use changed.
Not that cylinder head flow isn't important (it obviously is or Honda b-series VTEV heads wouldn't get the attention they do), higher compression alone isn't enough to "make magic", as you believe that we think higher compression turbo setups can perform. We know that it is the combination that works, but contrary to what your experience has led you to believe, porting & polishing to get over 300c.f., isn't necessary to get the desired results.
So, many of us know being at higher compression than what most are used to for turbocharging is not hype... If you don't believe in it, it's ok. No one will misjudge you.
Heck im above 11:1 on my stock B16 at 8 psi.Im talking about 12:1+ terriority were it could be used as the last piece of the pazzle lets say in a track car for fuel efficiency and for running the turbocharger below 3 pressure ratio not to overwork the turbo on shaft RPM.
On a street car that want to use premium pump gas 12:1 maybe even 11,5 for high targets is counter creative.
In my opinion all these. I could be wrong like ive been in the past
04-23-2018, 10:52 PM
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I would go for 84x87 with b18c crank but integra cranks are very difficult to find here if something goes wrong.
B20 cranks are much more easier to find due to the ton of CRVs we had in europe.
04-24-2018, 04:00 AM
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No im not talking about 10-11 compression. How 11 is high compression if stock f20c on 11:1 can do 500hp on 93 Heck im above 11:1 on my stock B16 at 8 psi.
Im talking about 12:1+ terriority were it could be used as the last piece of the pazzle lets say in a track car for fuel efficiency and for running the turbocharger below 3 pressure ratio not to overwork the turbo on shaft RPM.
On a street car that want to use premium pump gas 12:1 maybe even 11,5 for high targets is counter creative.
In my opinion all these. I could be wrong like ive been in the past
Heck im above 11:1 on my stock B16 at 8 psi.Im talking about 12:1+ terriority were it could be used as the last piece of the pazzle lets say in a track car for fuel efficiency and for running the turbocharger below 3 pressure ratio not to overwork the turbo on shaft RPM.
On a street car that want to use premium pump gas 12:1 maybe even 11,5 for high targets is counter creative.
In my opinion all these. I could be wrong like ive been in the past
As to the other part of your note. You've answered you're own question. Race car does not equal street car purpose
04-24-2018, 04:18 AM
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Yeah yeah 11:1 on todays forged pistons with todays injectors with todays tuners on todays system failsafes is a walk in the park.
07-17-2018, 04:17 AM
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In case someone was interested in weights.
Its crazy the MANLEY TURBO TUFFs (picture 1) had less % weight variation from cnc cut pistons...
Oh i got a new distributor just in case mine needs to take it easy and some VOLK RAYS someone wanted to sell and had no idea about what brand was that.
Abut the build well everything moves slowly because of summer vacations / heat and some other stuff.
Ill be building the block soon and ill also get a 290 cfm head job
12-30-2018, 12:00 PM
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Installed Tein advance 8kg/4kg coilovers. On 15/30 stiffness setting they are very comfortavle for the street. I really liked them so far. Good grip and some how not harsh on low speed bumps.
Cornering speed AND bump harshness are both ages better from my worn bilsteins. Still they are set on VERY HIGH ride height for the first kilometers. Ill lower it 4-5 days later and ill post more pictures.
12-30-2018, 12:07 PM
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Love the photos. Looks like you're doing fine. Glad you have the thicker wrist pins. Weight isn't going to matter that much in this circumstance of the boosted world. Like yourself, we realize that there are many other things that could go wrong before the internals, but why take the chance when you can have that done pronto.
12-30-2018, 12:15 PM
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I used to have a evo 8 turbo on a b20 with a devided manifold. It made 10lbs by 2500, the throttle response was unreal. It would build boost as fast as the boost gauge goes from 10" of vacuum to 0lbs. I really like your turbo manifold using the stock cast iron upper half. Might have to copy that idea if I do a evo8 turbo on a single cam in my insight.
12-31-2018, 03:13 AM
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Love the photos. Looks like you're doing fine. Glad you have the thicker wrist pins. Weight isn't going to matter that much in this circumstance of the boosted world. Like yourself, we realize that there are many other things that could go wrong before the internals, but why take the chance when you can have that done pronto.
150 euros to save EVERYTHING. A good measure.
I used to have a evo 8 turbo on a b20 with a devided manifold. It made 10lbs by 2500, the throttle response was unreal. It would build boost as fast as the boost gauge goes from 10" of vacuum to 0lbs. I really like your turbo manifold using the stock cast iron upper half. Might have to copy that idea if I do a evo8 turbo on a single cam in my insight.
If you take this route dont do the 2 pipes too lengthy for the d16 i somehow regret it doing it so long. Efficiency wise is killer tho.
If you like the TECH side of things since 1-4 will have allways have different exhaust back pressure from the 2-3 on a twinscroll/divided setup making the 4-2 section shorter from the 2-2 of the manifold.
Equalises things.I f you do it this way like me make the 2-2 section bigger diameter too from the oem manifold diameter.Like a stepped design to counter the returning pressure wave.
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12-31-2018, 03:25 AM
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Did you have the manifold on the right in US? We had id on the D16 del sol here. All the other D series had 4-1 cast mani.
12-31-2018, 04:33 AM
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Those Teins look great! Good to hear the ride quality is good for the cost. I've gotten a bad taste there from a set of K-Sports on my Nissan 240sx years back.. Spent near 800 bucks for their mid-level set and it rode like hell. My current 300 dollar Ebay set now rides better. Lol!
I have been contemplating Tein coils with Skunk2 control arms and camber setup to replace all my Ebay stuff..
I have been contemplating Tein coils with Skunk2 control arms and camber setup to replace all my Ebay stuff..
12-31-2018, 05:06 AM
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I rememebr someone doing a twin scroll with an evo turbo on a non vtec yeah. Was that a bottom mount manifold right ? I think i remembver it some years go.
If you take this route do do the 2 pipes too length for the d16 i somehow regret it doing it so long. Efficiency wise is killer tho.
If you like the TECH side of things since 1-4 will have allways have different exhaust back pressure from the 2-3 on a twinscroll/divided setup making the 4-2 section shorter from the 2-2 of the manifold.
Equalises things.I f you do it this way like me make the 2-2 section bigger diameter too from the oem manifold diameter.Like a stepped design to counter the returning pressure wave.[/QUOTE]
yea that was probably my wagon although there's been a few other builds with them. It was bottom mount and fairly short runners, with a 2.0l the results were amaizingz im not expecting a d series to be anywhere near as responsive but I still think that a 200whp turbo d would be a massive upgrade to my current 62bhp inline 3 that's in my car lol.
We can get those manifolds state side but I also know of a couple of the y8 header style manifolds I can get for free that I might give a shot to. I would really like to try to go bottom mount if possible, I picked up a evo 8 turbo yesterday and ordered the flange for it, I have some pretty good fabricator buddies so we will see how it ends up.
12-31-2018, 06:36 AM
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Well the Z6 had this mani too. It would be the beat if yoi manage to do a twin sxroll setup for it again.
As the mabifold sits youll need a pair of "narrrow bend" 90 degree elbows to make it shorter.
I cant describe how its possble to be that bumo friendly AND good grip at the same time.
Dam 8kg front and 4kg rear is not that soft spring rate too its like 450- 225 at american rates.
Youll not regret it.They are cheap too.
At 20/30 hardness they start to get some harsher. I imagine at full stiff theyll be hard but at 15/30 they are PERFECT.
As the mabifold sits youll need a pair of "narrrow bend" 90 degree elbows to make it shorter.
Those Teins look great! Good to hear the ride quality is good for the cost. I've gotten a bad taste there from a set of K-Sports on my Nissan 240sx years back.. Spent near 800 bucks for their mid-level set and it rode like hell. My current 300 dollar Ebay set now rides better. Lol!
I have been contemplating Tein coils with Skunk2 control arms and camber setup to replace all my Ebay stuff..
I have been contemplating Tein coils with Skunk2 control arms and camber setup to replace all my Ebay stuff..
Dam 8kg front and 4kg rear is not that soft spring rate too its like 450- 225 at american rates.
Youll not regret it.They are cheap too.
At 20/30 hardness they start to get some harsher. I imagine at full stiff theyll be hard but at 15/30 they are PERFECT.
01-03-2019, 04:59 AM
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Always great when you start buying these type parts..... means things are getting close, lookin good
01-03-2019, 10:00 AM
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Yes.... at least ! Its been like a year till now. The bad part is a prowelder/machnist friend and customer came today. I showed him awd rear diff mounting an trailing arms and he said its a piece of cake...
Dam im running out of time and lady out of patience.. Haha
Dam im running out of time and lady out of patience.. Haha
01-04-2019, 04:10 AM
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He was SURE they wont sink.
Well immortals were considered immortals until they met the 300....
We will see. I HOPE haha. Just that.
01-04-2019, 06:44 AM
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H-tune dot com sells them. I don't know how long it would take to receive, I'd guess 10-14 days ship time **shrug**
01-04-2019, 08:09 AM
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You have a very good eye.
The shroud/fan is an ebay special(cheap AF) that actualy fits like a glove on the radiator. When the summer is close ill keep the shroud and put a spal or something.